I have a question about guns

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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    mcgruff10 said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Anyone following the Laura Ingraham story over the last couple of weeks will know the American right doesn't understand the first amendment, so why do you assume they get the second correct?

    Also America 'deserving' guns ain't working out for you, try changing that?
    Nice broad stroke right there.  
    Who says America is “deserving” of guns?  It is a constitutional right. 
    Not all gun ownership is protected by the 2A... Connecticut successfully banned sales of all AR 15 style weapons after Sandy Hook and it was held up and passed over by the SCOTUS... 

    I don't think this is talked about enough
    This I know but it is still a constitutional right. Maryland also has an assault weapons ban upheld. 
    ok, but saying "it's a constitutional right" is the same to me as my kid asking why they can't do something and me saying "because I said so". it's not really an answer. it's a non-answer. 

    there are valid reasons fo other ammendments, like free speech, voter equality, etc. those can be easily explained by all people. the right to bear arms is only justified by the ammendment itself, not the reason for the ammendment. 
    Which, we all should know, is grossly antiquated given the types of arms available today vs 200 years ago, and utterly irrelevant for the times.
    I disagree; one could argue the 1st amendment is antiquated as well since the internet was not around in the 1700's.  
    The existence of the internet does not change the reason for or relevance of the first amendment.
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  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is it “responsible” for a “responsible” gun owner and NRA board member, Ted Shithead Nugent, to openly advocate for the shooting of dems onsite like rabid coyotes? Is that fucking “responsible” advocacy for gun rights? Further, where are all the “responsible” repubes and gun owners condemning such talk, on a mass media platform no less? Where are the “responsible” ones? The gun rights crowd and the NRA are the most irresponsible advocates out there. “Responsible” my fucking ass.
    He's one asshole that ran his mouth.  I' m not sure how he represents the masses.
    I feel like the NRA definitely does represent the masses (as evidenced by the fact that voters vote for politicians who are controlled by the NRA), and Nugent is an NRA board member, so that would be how Nugent represents the masses, like it or not. American democracy at work!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurfGOIQoaU&t=112s
    Ted Nugent being interviewed by none other than the RW radio personality, Alex Jones. The coyote comment comes at about 2:55. Ted is a a board member of the National Rife Association, a NON-PROFIT organization that represents 5 million gun toters that was given "donations" by Russia. NRA admits to a mere $5000 or so from Russia. It is still undetermined whether Alexander Torshin, an oligarch with Putin ties, gave significant sums to the NRA. The NRA's non-profit status ensures they pay no taxes.

    McClatchy DC Bureau states:
    "However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors."
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html
    It must have been a really good 4 years for the NRA, between 2012 and 2016. Triple the donations!

    I am sure that all NRA members have excellent mental health, as seen to by their greatest of Presidents Ronald Wilson Reagan, who cut mental health funding by 30% in 1981. About 16% of the prison population is mentally ill. In 2010, the United States had about 43,000 psychiatric beds, about the same number it had in 1850. So other than prison, there aren't a lot of places for the mentally ill, which means they are out here roaming around with the rest of us. There are approximately 101 guns for every 100 residents in the US. So there are probably a few that get in the hands of those untreated mentally ill people in this country. I hope none of them listen to NRA board member, Nugent.

    There are more than a few NRA members who are responsible gun owners. You know, the good guys with a gun. Why don't they speak up?

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke.




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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066
    oceaninmyeyes said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is it “responsible” for a “responsible” gun owner and NRA board member, Ted Shithead Nugent, to openly advocate for the shooting of dems onsite like rabid coyotes? Is that fucking “responsible” advocacy for gun rights? Further, where are all the “responsible” repubes and gun owners condemning such talk, on a mass media platform no less? Where are the “responsible” ones? The gun rights crowd and the NRA are the most irresponsible advocates out there. “Responsible” my fucking ass.
    He's one asshole that ran his mouth.  I' m not sure how he represents the masses.
    I feel like the NRA definitely does represent the masses (as evidenced by the fact that voters vote for politicians who are controlled by the NRA), and Nugent is an NRA board member, so that would be how Nugent represents the masses, like it or not. American democracy at work!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NurfGOIQoaU&t=112s
    Ted Nugent being interviewed by none other than the RW radio personality, Alex Jones. The coyote comment comes at about 2:55. Ted is a a board member of the National Rife Association, a NON-PROFIT organization that represents 5 million gun toters that was given "donations" by Russia. NRA admits to a mere $5000 or so from Russia. It is still undetermined whether Alexander Torshin, an oligarch with Putin ties, gave significant sums to the NRA. The NRA's non-profit status ensures they pay no taxes.

    McClatchy DC Bureau states:
    "However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors."
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html
    It must have been a really good 4 years for the NRA, between 2012 and 2016. Triple the donations!

    I am sure that all NRA members have excellent mental health, as seen to by their greatest of Presidents Ronald Wilson Reagan, who cut mental health funding by 30% in 1981. About 16% of the prison population is mentally ill. In 2010, the United States had about 43,000 psychiatric beds, about the same number it had in 1850. So other than prison, there aren't a lot of places for the mentally ill, which means they are out here roaming around with the rest of us. There are approximately 101 guns for every 100 residents in the US. So there are probably a few that get in the hands of those untreated mentally ill people in this country. I hope none of them listen to NRA board member, Nugent.

    There are more than a few NRA members who are responsible gun owners. You know, the good guys with a gun. Why don't they speak up?

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke.




    I've been wondering this ever since I heard Shithead Ted's comments. Silence=complicity and the silence is deafening.
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  • my2hands
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    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,179
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Have you registered your distaste for his comments with the NRA? Asked for his position on the board to be revoked? 

    The NRA is like any other organization; if a sufficient number of members demanded a change, then it would happen. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Have you registered your distaste for his comments with the NRA? Asked for his position on the board to be revoked? 

    The NRA is like any other organization; if a sufficient number of members demanded a change, then it would happen. 
    If that were the case Wayne LaPeirre wouldn’t be president after Sandy Hook.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Have you registered your distaste for his comments with the NRA? Asked for his position on the board to be revoked? 

    The NRA is like any other organization; if a sufficient number of members demanded a change, then it would happen. 
    If that were the case Wayne LaPeirre wouldn’t be president after Sandy Hook.
    Did a sufficient number of NRA members register their disgust? 
     
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,179
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Have you registered your distaste for his comments with the NRA? Asked for his position on the board to be revoked? 

    The NRA is like any other organization; if a sufficient number of members demanded a change, then it would happen. 
    If that were the case Wayne LaPeirre wouldn’t be president after Sandy Hook.
    What did he do after sandy hook?
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  • oceaninmyeyes
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    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Have you registered your distaste for his comments with the NRA? Asked for his position on the board to be revoked? 

    The NRA is like any other organization; if a sufficient number of members demanded a change, then it would happen. 
    Yes, please
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  • brianlux
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    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Fuck Ted Nugent, he's a loser
    Agreed.  Signed a nra member. 
    Why does the NRA out up with this guy?  I would think your guys would be swamping NRA headquarters with letter and petitions get get him to shut the fvck up.  I still sometimes wonder if he isn't really an anti-gun kind of guy working underground to trash your organization.  It's the only thing that makes sense to me.  You have to know, he's doing a great job of it!
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  • LongestRoad
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    Have you seen that new video game that's being released June 6th? 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Thank the NRA.
    The NRA helped write much current gun control.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,000
    unsung said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Thank the NRA.
    The NRA helped write much current gun control.
    that's like holding drug dealers in high esteem for helping write drug laws. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Thank the NRA.
    The NRA helped write much current gun control.

    Which explains the state of the gun control laws.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Thank the NRA.
    The NRA helped write much current gun control.

    Which explains the state of the gun control laws.
    Yeah, that wasn't exactly the most effective rebuttal there from unsung.  Kinda reminds me of some song lyrics:

    "Your contribution left unnoticed some
    Association with an image"
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It is an excellent reply when you understand that I oppose the NRA for reasons that you refuse to acknowledge.

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