PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

eeriepadave said:

well that sucked ass! Blow a 5 run lead.  Shouldn't have pulled Nola that early IMO. 

It was insane. He was dealing through 5. In the sixth, he gave up a hit, got a flyout. AND WAS PULLED? What the fuck?

Taking Hoskins out was a little curious too...

Not gonna walk back my criticism of the arrieta signing completely because I still think it’s fairly pointless, but the Santana signing is truly perplexing. I don’t understand why they’re fucking with Hoskins so much.

Meh. I know they just moved him to first and took Joseph out for defensive switches last year and they can't do that now. But I don't think he's been terrible in left thus far. Feel like he's been better than I anticipated and the position change obviously has not hurt him at the plate at all. Should've just kept him there.

The team has an embarrassment of riches in the outfield. That's not a bad thing and will be even better when/if it helps them bring in a pitcher in July if needed. I think yesterday was just an example of rookie manager over-managing.

Isnt that why they should put your boy @ 1B?  To let the OF play out?
And then you have the stud in waiting for SS/2B/3B, wherever he fits best.
Pitching, pitching, pitching.
Looks like you guys have a great position relative to hitting with all of these young bats.
I do think Santana is a professional hitter - perhaps they want him as a teacher?

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

eeriepadave said:

well that sucked ass! Blow a 5 run lead.  Shouldn't have pulled Nola that early IMO. 

It was insane. He was dealing through 5. In the sixth, he gave up a hit, got a flyout. AND WAS PULLED? What the fuck?

Taking Hoskins out was a little curious too...

Not gonna walk back my criticism of the arrieta signing completely because I still think it’s fairly pointless, but the Santana signing is truly perplexing. I don’t understand why they’re fucking with Hoskins so much.

Meh. I know they just moved him to first and took Joseph out for defensive switches last year and they can't do that now. But I don't think he's been terrible in left thus far. Feel like he's been better than I anticipated and the position change obviously has not hurt him at the plate at all. Should've just kept him there.

The team has an embarrassment of riches in the outfield. That's not a bad thing and will be even better when/if it helps them bring in a pitcher in July if needed. I think yesterday was just an example of rookie manager over-managing.

Be that as it may, the manager took the best hitting prospect on the team out of the game for defensive reasons, because his natural position is blocked by someone who won't be around when the Phils win.  One game yes, but it's just pointless to block him from his natural position. Stick him at first and let him mash. Boom.

I like Santana too.  I said I think there's a decent chance if he's healthy in the playoffs last year, they beat the Yanks.  I just don't think he's important enough at this point in where the Phillies are to warrant a position change.  If they were one piece from winning, sure, maybe.

I loathe Gabe Kapler but I liked the hire in general.  Yesterday seemed to be really bad and obviously a horrible start, but give him time.  Lotta people in the game like him.

Obviously the crux of our disagreement is when we think the Phils might be able to win. No sense in getting into all that again.

But if he's not hurting you in left, and he's still mashing at the plate, which he is,---just leave him the hell in there.

 

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

eeriepadave said:

well that sucked ass! Blow a 5 run lead.  Shouldn't have pulled Nola that early IMO. 

It was insane. He was dealing through 5. In the sixth, he gave up a hit, got a flyout. AND WAS PULLED? What the fuck?

Taking Hoskins out was a little curious too...

Not gonna walk back my criticism of the arrieta signing completely because I still think it’s fairly pointless, but the Santana signing is truly perplexing. I don’t understand why they’re fucking with Hoskins so much.

Meh. I know they just moved him to first and took Joseph out for defensive switches last year and they can't do that now. But I don't think he's been terrible in left thus far. Feel like he's been better than I anticipated and the position change obviously has not hurt him at the plate at all. Should've just kept him there.

The team has an embarrassment of riches in the outfield. That's not a bad thing and will be even better when/if it helps them bring in a pitcher in July if needed. I think yesterday was just an example of rookie manager over-managing.

Be that as it may, the manager took the best hitting prospect on the team out of the game for defensive reasons, because his natural position is blocked by someone who won't be around when the Phils win.  One game yes, but it's just pointless to block him from his natural position. Stick him at first and let him mash. Boom.

I like Santana too.  I said I think there's a decent chance if he's healthy in the playoffs last year, they beat the Yanks.  I just don't think he's important enough at this point in where the Phillies are to warrant a position change.  If they were one piece from winning, sure, maybe.

I loathe Gabe Kapler but I liked the hire in general.  Yesterday seemed to be really bad and obviously a horrible start, but give him time.  Lotta people in the game like him.

Obviously the crux of our disagreement is when we think the Phils might be able to win. No sense in getting into all that again.

But if he's not hurting you in left, and he's still mashing at the plate, which he is,---just leave him the hell in there.

 

Winning and potentially competing for a wild card are two different things.  I like the future, I have said that numerous times, so I'm not hating.

He is hurting you in left when the manager takes him out for defensive reasons.

Unless the manager is a cross training number cruncher?

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

eeriepadave said:

well that sucked ass! Blow a 5 run lead.  Shouldn't have pulled Nola that early IMO. 

It was insane. He was dealing through 5. In the sixth, he gave up a hit, got a flyout. AND WAS PULLED? What the fuck?

Taking Hoskins out was a little curious too...

Not gonna walk back my criticism of the arrieta signing completely because I still think it’s fairly pointless, but the Santana signing is truly perplexing. I don’t understand why they’re fucking with Hoskins so much.

Meh. I know they just moved him to first and took Joseph out for defensive switches last year and they can't do that now. But I don't think he's been terrible in left thus far. Feel like he's been better than I anticipated and the position change obviously has not hurt him at the plate at all. Should've just kept him there.

The team has an embarrassment of riches in the outfield. That's not a bad thing and will be even better when/if it helps them bring in a pitcher in July if needed. I think yesterday was just an example of rookie manager over-managing.

Be that as it may, the manager took the best hitting prospect on the team out of the game for defensive reasons, because his natural position is blocked by someone who won't be around when the Phils win.  One game yes, but it's just pointless to block him from his natural position. Stick him at first and let him mash. Boom.

I like Santana too.  I said I think there's a decent chance if he's healthy in the playoffs last year, they beat the Yanks.  I just don't think he's important enough at this point in where the Phillies are to warrant a position change.  If they were one piece from winning, sure, maybe.

I loathe Gabe Kapler but I liked the hire in general.  Yesterday seemed to be really bad and obviously a horrible start, but give him time.  Lotta people in the game like him.

Obviously the crux of our disagreement is when we think the Phils might be able to win. No sense in getting into all that again.

But if he's not hurting you in left, and he's still mashing at the plate, which he is,---just leave him the hell in there.

 

Winning and potentially competing for a wild card are two different things.  I like the future, I have said that numerous times, so I'm not hating.

He is hurting you in left when the manager takes him out for defensive reasons.

You and I disagree on the timeline, not the definition of winning. I think they can compete for a wildcard this year and potentially compete for the division as early as next year if the right things fall into place. Santana's here for 3 years, so....yeah he could be here when they win again.

And I disagree with the manager's move....so I don't agree with that premise.

The orange muscle clown is not off to a good start managing.   Hope he gets time.

Was on Philly +
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Orange weight clown just double switched and removed Hoskins when behind.  Genius.

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

eeriepadave said:

well that sucked ass! Blow a 5 run lead.  Shouldn't have pulled Nola that early IMO. 

It was insane. He was dealing through 5. In the sixth, he gave up a hit, got a flyout. AND WAS PULLED? What the fuck?

Taking Hoskins out was a little curious too...

Not gonna walk back my criticism of the arrieta signing completely because I still think it’s fairly pointless, but the Santana signing is truly perplexing. I don’t understand why they’re fucking with Hoskins so much.

Meh. I know they just moved him to first and took Joseph out for defensive switches last year and they can't do that now. But I don't think he's been terrible in left thus far. Feel like he's been better than I anticipated and the position change obviously has not hurt him at the plate at all. Should've just kept him there.

The team has an embarrassment of riches in the outfield. That's not a bad thing and will be even better when/if it helps them bring in a pitcher in July if needed. I think yesterday was just an example of rookie manager over-managing.

Be that as it may, the manager took the best hitting prospect on the team out of the game for defensive reasons, because his natural position is blocked by someone who won't be around when the Phils win.  One game yes, but it's just pointless to block him from his natural position. Stick him at first and let him mash. Boom.

I like Santana too.  I said I think there's a decent chance if he's healthy in the playoffs last year, they beat the Yanks.  I just don't think he's important enough at this point in where the Phillies are to warrant a position change.  If they were one piece from winning, sure, maybe.

I loathe Gabe Kapler but I liked the hire in general.  Yesterday seemed to be really bad and obviously a horrible start, but give him time.  Lotta people in the game like him.

I agree with cliff 100%.  This franchise is an unmitigated disaster.  The Santana signing was dumb.  The Arrieta signing was dumb and the contract is hilarious (reminiscent of another awful contract for $25 million per year).  Signing Kingery was fine, but it's hilarious that they refuse to play him at his natural position (same thing with Hoskins).  Odubel Herrera sucks.  Nick Williams really sucks.  Alfaro stinks.  Franco is a AAAA player.  They have no pitching because they can't develop anyone -- hamels is the only good pitcher they've developed in approximately 30 years.  

I don't understand why the infield isn't set with hoskins at first, kingery at second, crawford at short.  Leave them alone and let them play every day.  It shouldn't be difficult since it's blatantly obvious.  Play Hernandez at third or make him the super utility guy -- kingery is already a better player at second base.

I believe this team is going to finish fourth in the shitty NL East and lose 88 games (I think atlanta is the team from this division that could make a wild card run).  Same old shitty Phillies until they bring in management with a clue...ie, get rid of Andy MacPhail, who's responsible for the terrible hamels trade and all of the recent offseason moves that make no sense (like the tommy hunter signing -- wait until you guys get to watch his fat ass pitch every day or two)

taking moniak over senzel.  taking haseley over hiura.  so damn stupid

also, how many times do they need to see valasquez prove he cannot start games before they finally move him to the bullpen?  they never learned with mark appel so I'm not holding my breath.  God this franchise is the worst

since I'm on a roll, the new PJ song reminds me of nickleback.  first tour I won't be seeing any shows in over ten years.  Rather spend my money to see bands that don't make dad rock

eeriepadave said:

feels weird not to have a Phillies game on a Sunday.

It's a disgrace not to have baseball on a Sunday. What the fuck is this league doing? Although a day off from Kapler isn't a bad thing right now. I think it was Friday night before they tied the game. Atlanta's batter swung at a pitch that got by the catcher. The umpire called it a ball. It was so obvious that he swung but the Phillies assumed the count was 0-1 but it was actually 1-0. They threw a pitch before they noticed they had the count wrong so they couldn't challenge. Then the Braves tied the game. I'll ask a stupid question like, how does everyone in the dugout not notice this? But, seems like their M.O. to start the season. 

The Juggler said:

No Sunday baseball is fucking weird, agreed. There's also no baseball on Friday this week....at least for the Phillies. 

Scott Kingery is a joy to watch. Horrible first weekend, but at least we get to see guys like him and Hoskins and the other young bucks play every day. 

Hoskins pulled twice in 2 games is probably something that shouldn't happen.