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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    edited March 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    He did make those 2 statements...that’s fact...that’s your Pm.  Truth hurts.
    That's your PM too. And no, nothing hurts, and wouldn't even if I knew what you were talking about, lol .... Sorry, are you under the impression that I'm some kind of Trudeau fangirl or what? I just realized that you failed to use quotation marks and that is why I had no clue what you were talking about. Yeah, I'm aware of all the things Trudeau has said, the good and the bad and the silly not worth thinking about, and how some of those things were spun by those who loathe him excessively for some pretty warped, not-always-true reasons. Me, I'm actually quite neutral when it comes to my feelings about him. I like some things he's done, and don't like other things he's done, and I'm indifferent to some other stuff. So I feel I have a relatively objective view of him. I am able to actually keep the things he says and does in context, which you clearly fail to do. You have obviously gone a bit over the edge here, running away with crazy talk about PCism and shit that is meaningless. I'm just saying this so maybe you think about it... You've kind of veered into bullshit territory here man. You're just kinda running with a lot of shit we normally see in those anti-"leader I hate" memes on facebook, lol.

    But I can assure you, like it or not, you DO have a use for politicians.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Government's cannabis bill faces live-or-die vote in Senate today


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-cannabis-bill-live-die-vote-1.4586113?cmp=FB_Post_News

    uh oh...does hopes of legalization go up in smoke today...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:

    Government's cannabis bill faces live-or-die vote in Senate today


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-cannabis-bill-live-die-vote-1.4586113?cmp=FB_Post_News

    uh oh...does hopes of legalization go up in smoke today...

    Someone explain to me this: Most Independent and Liberal senators generally support the bill, and together they hold 54 of the chamber's 93 occupied seats. But that doesn't guarantee that all of those members will vote together as a block or be present when the vote is recorded.

    What do you mean 'be present when the vote is recorded'? Senators can pick and choose their levels of commitment? Do I have this straight? 

    Legalization is a no-brainer. I understand the language of the bill might need some revision, but what is the opposition's expectation?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    Seems like a little bit of sensationalized/scare mongering reporting to me, TBH.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Government's cannabis bill faces live-or-die vote in Senate today


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-cannabis-bill-live-die-vote-1.4586113?cmp=FB_Post_News

    uh oh...does hopes of legalization go up in smoke today...

    Someone explain to me this: Most Independent and Liberal senators generally support the bill, and together they hold 54 of the chamber's 93 occupied seats. But that doesn't guarantee that all of those members will vote together as a block or be present when the vote is recorded.

    What do you mean 'be present when the vote is recorded'? Senators can pick and choose their levels of commitment? Do I have this straight? 

    Legalization is a no-brainer. I understand the language of the bill might need some revision, but what is the opposition's expectation?
    Most people with common sense realize the senate is useless ... 

    I also understand that their are 2 committees totalling 20 senators that are unavailable to vote ... which is why max attendance of the remaining senators that support legalization is crucial ...


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    Huh? He just said something that is actually true. That isn't tyranny, lol. This actually is how Canada's government works. The PM says something. The senate does its job. Boy oh boy, the exaggerations that get applied by people what talking politics is stunning sometimes.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    edited March 2018
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    Huh? He just said something that is actually true. That isn't tyranny, lol. This actually is how Canada's government works. The PM says something because he thinks it. The senate hears that, then does its job. Boy oh boy, the exaggerations that get applied by people what talking politics is stunning sometimes. Perhaps you're just reacting to the media though - they do the same damn thing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    edited March 2018
    Double post
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    PJ_Soul said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    Huh? He just said something that is actually true. That isn't tyranny, lol. This actually is how Canada's government works. The PM says something because he thinks it. The senate hears that, then does its job. Boy oh boy, the exaggerations that get applied by people what talking politics is stunning sometimes. Perhaps you're just reacting to the media though - they do the same damn thing.

    Ok, I'll admit to some hyperbole in accusing him of tyranny, but he's showing (yet again, think about his comments in the wake of the Stanley acquittal) that he's unaware of how our government is supposed to function.  The Senate is the supposed "chamber of sober second thought", which is one of the few checks and balances our system has.  If he hadn't made a big show of disbanding the Liberal caucus in the Senate and was addressing them specifically I wouldn't have anything to say.  However, he's saying essentially "because my party was elected, you need to follow me". If the Senate is, in fact, just a rubber stamp, then let's just abolish it!

    And before you accuse me of being partisan on this, I'd take issue with the Conservatives issuing a similar directive.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    DarthMaeglin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pm-warns-senators-on-cannabis-bill/ar-BBKzBd2?ocid=spartanntp

    I think Trudeau needs a refresher on the functioning of Canada's government.  The Senate was never supposed to function as a rubber stamp, as he seems to think it should be.  Tyranny with a smile is tyranny all the same.
    Huh? He just said something that is actually true. That isn't tyranny, lol. This actually is how Canada's government works. The PM says something because he thinks it. The senate hears that, then does its job. Boy oh boy, the exaggerations that get applied by people what talking politics is stunning sometimes. Perhaps you're just reacting to the media though - they do the same damn thing.

    Ok, I'll admit to some hyperbole in accusing him of tyranny, but he's showing (yet again, think about his comments in the wake of the Stanley acquittal) that he's unaware of how our government is supposed to function.  The Senate is the supposed "chamber of sober second thought", which is one of the few checks and balances our system has.  If he hadn't made a big show of disbanding the Liberal caucus in the Senate and was addressing them specifically I wouldn't have anything to say.  However, he's saying essentially "because my party was elected, you need to follow me". If the Senate is, in fact, just a rubber stamp, then let's just abolish it!

    And before you accuse me of being partisan on this, I'd take issue with the Conservatives issuing a similar directive.
    I am glad you know it was hyperbole, haha. ;)  But I still can't really agree with your view on this. Whatever his flaws may be, not knowing how government works really isn't one of them. He knows what the Senate is for and what it does. I guess we're just looking at him saying what he said from different perspectives... I think they are two perspectives that are often discussed on this very forum: The difference between someone just stating their thoughts or opinions vs someone telling other people what to do by stating their thoughts or opinions. I do not feel like he was doing the latter, while you seem to. In any case, I don't think that what Trudeau said today has any effect on the what the Senate does one way or the other. And I don't think that him hoping that they will hear what he had to say and have it effect them is wrong. I think that is perfectly fine, specifically because I do not see him saying that as him telling them what to do.
    I also don't think the Senate is just a rubber stamp btw, but do understand why sometimes people think it seems that way.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    The Canadian people spoke with regards to the legalization of pot. It's not the senate's job to stall or stymie progress.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    edited March 2018
    The Senate would be nuts to stall it at this point. I'll be 100% astounded if that's how it plays out. It never even really occurred to me that they'd be that idiotic and actually choose to screw up the provincial-level legislative work that's been happening on it and go against the clear will of the people and common sense ... Didn't occur to me they'd be that dumb until the fucking media fed us the concern in scary terms, lol.
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Fair point on “intelligent”. I’ll be sure to proofread my posts going forward. A disadvantage of using an IPhone to post.

    It seems BC’s indigenous community doesn’t like Trudeau’s oil tanker ban.  This is truly amazing. All the pandering and photo ops of Trudeau protecting the indigenous community from nasty oil was completely unfounded political rhetoric.  

    http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/an-unjustified-infringement-first-nation-sues-ottawa-british-columbia-over-oil-tanker-ban
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    That is why I said the Kinder Morgan pipeline plan is so fucking stupid. There are communities in the North who would welcome it - where it would actually matter to people. But instead they approved one that goes to an area that can't take added pressure and that's densely populated and where Aboriginals are strongly against it. It's one of the dumbest moves the Feds have ever made in BC.... Pretty fucking stupid-ass proposal on Kinder Morgan's part too. And Kinder Morgan actually initially proposed something even worse and more disruptive to people.

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Fair point on “intelligent”. I’ll be sure to proofread my posts going forward. A disadvantage of using an IPhone to post.

    It seems BC’s indigenous community doesn’t like Trudeau’s oil tanker ban.  This is truly amazing. All the pandering and photo ops of Trudeau protecting the indigenous community from nasty oil was completely unfounded political rhetoric.  

    http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/an-unjustified-infringement-first-nation-sues-ottawa-british-columbia-over-oil-tanker-ban
    It isn’t a matter of “BC’s indigenous community” not liking the tanker ban. It’s a matter of these First Nations not liking it. There are hundreds of bands and there is essentially no agreement between them as to what projects, industries or development are acceptable, nor should be expect there to be. An easy example - many First Nations are vehemently anti-fish farming, while some First Nations welcome it and at least one owns and runs its own salmon farm, and many run shellfish farms. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719
    edited March 2018
    oftenreading said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Fair point on “intelligent”. I’ll be sure to proofread my posts going forward. A disadvantage of using an IPhone to post.

    It seems BC’s indigenous community doesn’t like Trudeau’s oil tanker ban.  This is truly amazing. All the pandering and photo ops of Trudeau protecting the indigenous community from nasty oil was completely unfounded political rhetoric.  

    http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/an-unjustified-infringement-first-nation-sues-ottawa-british-columbia-over-oil-tanker-ban
    It isn’t a matter of “BC’s indigenous community” not liking the tanker ban. It’s a matter of these First Nations not liking it. There are hundreds of bands and there is essentially no agreement between them as to what projects, industries or development are acceptable, nor should be expect there to be. An easy example - many First Nations are vehemently anti-fish farming, while some First Nations welcome it and at least one owns and runs its own salmon farm, and many run shellfish farms. 
    Absolutely true... I do get the impression that some thing Aboriginals or First Nations are just one big group who all think the same and do business the same.
    But that said, there really ARE places where there is full agreement, and nobody cared, apparently. They targeted an area where there is zero agreement instead. And why did they do this? Well duh, because Kinder Morgan wanted it. :money:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,719

    Trudeau government avoids defeat on key pot bill vote


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-cannabis-bill-senate-vote-1.4588560?cid=

    "The Liberal government avoided a disastrous result for its marquee marijuana bill Thursday, as the bill to legalize recreational marijuana passed a key legislative stage in the Senate..........."

    Seriously, I am getting really frustrated with how the media is framing this! The vote was fucking 44 - 29. Not even close. But the media outlets could resist making people nervous for no fucking reason.



    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    The concern over the legalization of cannabis comes down to this.
    no one is arguing it should be legalized.  However in an attempt to get re-elected Trudeau is pushing through his agenda.  No one in his government is listening to the concerns of the RCMP and businesses regarding worker health and safety.

    These two entities have found two senators willing to listen.  The new testing procedure to determine if a worker or a driver is under the influence of cannabis is through a saliva swab.  The saliva swab test coming back positive confirms the driver/worker has used cannabis in the past 0-8 hours, thus putting them “under the influence”.

    The problem is, industry does not have testing facilities to process these results yet and in Canada we have 65,000 police officers who have yet to be trained to perform a roadside saliva test.  

    Once again, the Liberal government is trying to ramrod legislation to do nothing more than recieve votes.  He is (rightfully so) worried about losing the next election due to his diminishing approval ratings.

    Now First Nations are turning on him for his stance on pipelines. Politically it could not get any worse.

    You May feel the Senate should not be trying to stand in the way of legalization, but I believe they are right to delay it until all branches of government and industry is ready.    
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/an-unjustified-infringement-first-nation-sues-ottawa-british-columbia-over-oil-tanker-ban
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