Canadian Politics Redux

Meltdown99

Oh please...Ontario politics is a fucking joke.  The conservatives had a great candidate in Christine Elliot, they didn’t need a leadship race, they should have parachuted her to the leadership role...fuck Ford, Mulroney and that other twit.  The only real candidate was Elliot.  I wouldn’t waste my time going to the poles to vote for Ford, Horwath, or the useles Twitter Wynn.

oftenreading

My condolences, Ontario

Meltdown99

It’s official Ford won ... Ontario poiitics have nothing but garbage running the 3 parties ... what garbage people of Ontario get to choose in a June...First that loser Brown. Now Ford...

dignin

Really Ford? I thought it was just the idiots in the Toronto suburbs that would vote for that mess. What the fuck is up with politics today?  

Meltdown99

Ontario politics is sad...Christine Elliot should be the leader...

I think Ford will still win.

i just happen to think Elliot would make a good premier.

The only thing I can think of that got Ford elected is his anti-elite campaign he ran, but in my eyes if you are wealthy you are part of the elite.  

dignin

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario politics is sad...Christine Elliot should be the leader...

I think Ford will still win.

i just happen to think Elliot would make a good premier.

The only thing I can think of that got Ford elected is his anti-elite campaign he ran, but in my eyes if you are wealthy you are part of the elite.  

Sadly, being anti-elite these days is being anti-brains. It's got nothing to do with money.

I prefer my leader's to be smarter than me, but I fear I'm in the minority.

Meltdown99

dignin said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ontario politics is sad...Christine Elliot should be the leader...

I think Ford will still win.

i just happen to think Elliot would make a good premier.

The only thing I can think of that got Ford elected is his anti-elite campaign he ran, but in my eyes if you are wealthy you are part of the elite.  

Sadly, being anti-elite these days is being anti-brains. It's got nothing to do with money.

I prefer my leader's to be smarter than me, but I fear I'm in the minority.

In Ontario politics we seem to lack brains right now.  The best choice in a Ontario is the Green Party, but they are no where close to winning a general election, they are no where close to even winning a single seat.  At this point the anti-liberal, anti Wynn  movement will likely lead Ford to the premiers chair...unless he really says something stupid, and I wouldn’t rule that out.

Meltdown99

Trudeau Liberals axe funding for books for the blind

https://globalnews.ca/news/4075364/trudeau-liberals-cut-funding-cnib-accessible-books/

they are abviously asking for more than we give...

Meltdown99

SECOND OPINION | Canadian families stunned by 3,000% increase in price of life-saving drug

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/second-opinion-procysbi-cystagon-march10-1.4570152

Another victory for big pharma with the help of the government...

Meltdown99

Caribbean vacation turns into parasite nightmare for Windsor couple

http://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/caribbean-vacation-turns-into-parasite-nightmare-for-windsor-couple

They had to get the necessary medicine states side...

PJ_Soul

Just over half of Ontario Conservatives who voted for Ford to lead are obviously idiots, wtf. Such a joke.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Just over half of Ontario Conservatives who voted for Ford to lead are obviously idiots, wtf. Such a joke.

I believe Elliot won the majority of the votes and Ridings ... they used some kind of weighted voting system (some say rigged).  Sort of Trump became president...Anyways the whole process seemed way to complicated.  The thing is PJ, the PC could have went into the June election with interim leader and easily won.  However, unless Ford says something incredibly dumb the Tories will win this election still.  And by all that I’ve read about his leadership campaign he didn’t say anything that could get him into trouble, at nothing that I’ve.  Mind you I never really followed the campaign to closely.  I’m not sure if any of the leaders for our 3 big parties are all that popular, but Wynn has to go, even if it means Doug Ford as premier.

1ThoughtKnown

With your obvious political leanings it seems odd you would have such an opinion on the Conservative leadership race in Ontario...
but then I realized the Liberal Premier has the lowest approval rating in history because of scandal, boondoggles, the mismanagement of the adoption of renewable energy, etc. etc. etc.  and that anyone the Conservatives trot out will inevitably win.

As unlikely as a Notley win in Alberta was (and I have said previously I think she is doing a good job I just wish they would balance the budget sooner than later) it came about because people wanted change.  Ford would not be my first choice but the other candidates seemed rather uninspiring.  Ford has the name recognition and said just enough about anti-abortion (which I do not believe in) to get the votes from that social conservative whack job he was running against.

I don't play too close attention to Ontario politics but my in-laws live in Sudbury (conservative area) so I'm mildly interested.

On another note, isn't it cute to see our PM on CNN and MSNBC letting Americans know he won't be pushed around by Donald Trump and it was a good idea the Tariffs on our steel and aluminum were not levied (I agree).  He is visiting steel mills and shaking hands to show his support for the hardworking Ontarians and Quebecers in the steel industry.
Where have you been for Albertans as the BC government has been illegally blocking a federally approved pipeline (pipelines are federal jurisdiction).  Why aren't you on CBC and CTV explaining to all Canadians you will not stand idly and you will support the hardworking Canadians in the oil industry as the world is clamoring for our energy resource? 

Hiding behind the environmental debate won't work as steel mills and ore mining contribute greatly to CO2 emissions.  Since Alberta emits only 1.63% of the world's emissions neither industry amounts to much.  Trudeau is floundering from that botched trip to India, the misuse of public funds for a vacation,  and the mishandling of NAFTA negotiations and took this opportunity to try and rekindle some hope in the places he needs to get votes.

If you wonder why Albertans have an attitude problem, this is it.  Any Prime Minister from Quebec outside of Jena Chretien had no use for Alberta. The shortsightedness of this is economic suicide for the country. And as Trudeau throws all of his support behind the steel industry of Eastern Canada he continues to let the oil industry of Alberta flounder for no good reason.  The lack of empathy is astounding... and remember his government APPROVED this pipeline and is doing nothing about it.  

All the NIMBY environmentalists of this forum can now let me have it, with all of your plastic, gas powered transportation, flights to vacations... everything else that oil contributes to your lucky, fat-cat western civilization standard of living.  Noone is complaining about the 400 tankers a week bringing oil through the Juan de Fuca straight from Alaska to the 5 refineries in Seattle.
How about the natural gas we have that China so desperately needs to produce power as they move away from coal? A pipeline to the coast with liquefied natural gas would be a huge boon to our economy and help with worldwide emissions. NOOOO! LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND THEY SAY as they sleep comfortably in their warm natural gas heated homes.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Being a humanitarian first would go a long way in solving the environmental issues... just sayin.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

1ThoughtKnown said:

With your obvious political leanings it seems odd you would have such an opinion on the Conservative leadership race in Ontario...
but then I realized the Liberal Premier has the lowest approval rating in history because of scandal, boondoggles, the mismanagement of the adoption of renewable energy, etc. etc. etc.  and that anyone the Conservatives trot out will inevitably win.

As unlikely as a Notley win in Alberta was (and I have said previously I think she is doing a good job I just wish they would balance the budget sooner than later) it came about because people wanted change.  Ford would not be my first choice but the other candidates seemed rather uninspiring.  Ford has the name recognition and said just enough about anti-abortion (which I do not believe in) to get the votes from that social conservative whack job he was running against.

I don't play too close attention to Ontario politics but my in-laws live in Sudbury (conservative area) so I'm mildly interested.

On another note, isn't it cute to see our PM on CNN and MSNBC letting Americans know he won't be pushed around by Donald Trump and it was a good idea the Tariffs on our steel and aluminum were not levied (I agree).  He is visiting steel mills and shaking hands to show his support for the hardworking Ontarians and Quebecers in the steel industry.
Where have you been for Albertans as the BC government has been illegally blocking a federally approved pipeline (pipelines are federal jurisdiction).  Why aren't you on CBC and CTV explaining to all Canadians you will not stand idly and you will support the hardworking Canadians in the oil industry as the world is clamoring for our energy resource? 

Hiding behind the environmental debate won't work as steel mills and ore mining contribute greatly to CO2 emissions.  Since Alberta emits only 1.63% of the world's emissions neither industry amounts to much.  Trudeau is floundering from that botched trip to India, the misuse of public funds for a vacation,  and the mishandling of NAFTA negotiations and took this opportunity to try and rekindle some hope in the places he needs to get votes.

If you wonder why Albertans have an attitude problem, this is it.  Any Prime Minister from Quebec outside of Jena Chretien had no use for Alberta. The shortsightedness of this is economic suicide for the country. And as Trudeau throws all of his support behind the steel industry of Eastern Canada he continues to let the oil industry of Alberta flounder for no good reason.  The lack of empathy is astounding... and remember his government APPROVED this pipeline and is doing nothing about it.  

All the NIMBY environmentalists of this forum can now let me have it, with all of your plastic, gas powered transportation, flights to vacations... everything else that oil contributes to your lucky, fat-cat western civilization standard of living.  Noone is complaining about the 400 tankers a week bringing oil through the Juan de Fuca straight from Alaska to the 5 refineries in Seattle.
How about the natural gas we have that China so desperately needs to produce power as they move away from coal? A pipeline to the coast with liquefied natural gas would be a huge boon to our economy and help with worldwide emissions. NOOOO! LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND THEY SAY as they sleep comfortably in their warm natural gas heated homes.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Being a humanitarian first would go a long way in solving the environmental issues... just sayin.

Edit: never mind.

PJ_Soul

1ThoughtKnown said:

With your obvious political leanings it seems odd you would have such an opinion on the Conservative leadership race in Ontario...
but then I realized the Liberal Premier has the lowest approval rating in history because of scandal, boondoggles, the mismanagement of the adoption of renewable energy, etc. etc. etc.  and that anyone the Conservatives trot out will inevitably win.

As unlikely as a Notley win in Alberta was (and I have said previously I think she is doing a good job I just wish they would balance the budget sooner than later) it came about because people wanted change.  Ford would not be my first choice but the other candidates seemed rather uninspiring.  Ford has the name recognition and said just enough about anti-abortion (which I do not believe in) to get the votes from that social conservative whack job he was running against.

I don't play too close attention to Ontario politics but my in-laws live in Sudbury (conservative area) so I'm mildly interested.

On another note, isn't it cute to see our PM on CNN and MSNBC letting Americans know he won't be pushed around by Donald Trump and it was a good idea the Tariffs on our steel and aluminum were not levied (I agree).  He is visiting steel mills and shaking hands to show his support for the hardworking Ontarians and Quebecers in the steel industry.
Where have you been for Albertans as the BC government has been illegally blocking a federally approved pipeline (pipelines are federal jurisdiction).  Why aren't you on CBC and CTV explaining to all Canadians you will not stand idly and you will support the hardworking Canadians in the oil industry as the world is clamoring for our energy resource? 

Hiding behind the environmental debate won't work as steel mills and ore mining contribute greatly to CO2 emissions.  Since Alberta emits only 1.63% of the world's emissions neither industry amounts to much.  Trudeau is floundering from that botched trip to India, the misuse of public funds for a vacation,  and the mishandling of NAFTA negotiations and took this opportunity to try and rekindle some hope in the places he needs to get votes.

If you wonder why Albertans have an attitude problem, this is it.  Any Prime Minister from Quebec outside of Jena Chretien had no use for Alberta. The shortsightedness of this is economic suicide for the country. And as Trudeau throws all of his support behind the steel industry of Eastern Canada he continues to let the oil industry of Alberta flounder for no good reason.  The lack of empathy is astounding... and remember his government APPROVED this pipeline and is doing nothing about it.  

All the NIMBY environmentalists of this forum can now let me have it, with all of your plastic, gas powered transportation, flights to vacations... everything else that oil contributes to your lucky, fat-cat western civilization standard of living.  Noone is complaining about the 400 tankers a week bringing oil through the Juan de Fuca straight from Alaska to the 5 refineries in Seattle.
How about the natural gas we have that China so desperately needs to produce power as they move away from coal? A pipeline to the coast with liquefied natural gas would be a huge boon to our economy and help with worldwide emissions. NOOOO! LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND THEY SAY as they sleep comfortably in their warm natural gas heated homes.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Being a humanitarian first would go a long way in solving the environmental issues... just sayin.

Well, your lack of empathy for the perspective of British Columbians against the pipeline is also astounding, so, you know, glass houses and all.

Meltdown99

1ThoughtKnown said:

With your obvious political leanings it seems odd you would have such an opinion on the Conservative leadership race in Ontario...
but then I realized the Liberal Premier has the lowest approval rating in history because of scandal, boondoggles, the mismanagement of the adoption of renewable energy, etc. etc. etc.  and that anyone the Conservatives trot out will inevitably win.

As unlikely as a Notley win in Alberta was (and I have said previously I think she is doing a good job I just wish they would balance the budget sooner than later) it came about because people wanted change.  Ford would not be my first choice but the other candidates seemed rather uninspiring.  Ford has the name recognition and said just enough about anti-abortion (which I do not believe in) to get the votes from that social conservative whack job he was running against.

I don't play too close attention to Ontario politics but my in-laws live in Sudbury (conservative area) so I'm mildly interested.

On another note, isn't it cute to see our PM on CNN and MSNBC letting Americans know he won't be pushed around by Donald Trump and it was a good idea the Tariffs on our steel and aluminum were not levied (I agree).  He is visiting steel mills and shaking hands to show his support for the hardworking Ontarians and Quebecers in the steel industry.
Where have you been for Albertans as the BC government has been illegally blocking a federally approved pipeline (pipelines are federal jurisdiction).  Why aren't you on CBC and CTV explaining to all Canadians you will not stand idly and you will support the hardworking Canadians in the oil industry as the world is clamoring for our energy resource? 

Hiding behind the environmental debate won't work as steel mills and ore mining contribute greatly to CO2 emissions.  Since Alberta emits only 1.63% of the world's emissions neither industry amounts to much.  Trudeau is floundering from that botched trip to India, the misuse of public funds for a vacation,  and the mishandling of NAFTA negotiations and took this opportunity to try and rekindle some hope in the places he needs to get votes.

If you wonder why Albertans have an attitude problem, this is it.  Any Prime Minister from Quebec outside of Jena Chretien had no use for Alberta. The shortsightedness of this is economic suicide for the country. And as Trudeau throws all of his support behind the steel industry of Eastern Canada he continues to let the oil industry of Alberta flounder for no good reason.  The lack of empathy is astounding... and remember his government APPROVED this pipeline and is doing nothing about it.  

All the NIMBY environmentalists of this forum can now let me have it, with all of your plastic, gas powered transportation, flights to vacations... everything else that oil contributes to your lucky, fat-cat western civilization standard of living.  Noone is complaining about the 400 tankers a week bringing oil through the Juan de Fuca straight from Alaska to the 5 refineries in Seattle.
How about the natural gas we have that China so desperately needs to produce power as they move away from coal? A pipeline to the coast with liquefied natural gas would be a huge boon to our economy and help with worldwide emissions. NOOOO! LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND THEY SAY as they sleep comfortably in their warm natural gas heated homes.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Being a humanitarian first would go a long way in solving the environmental issues... just sayin.

Not a fan of Trudeau?  Why not, just the last few weeks...

-he told a wounded veteran you are asking for more than we can give
-a disaterous India trip
-snubbed the Belgium royal couple and their business delegation
-interrupted a speaker at a town hall, so he could say the word peoplekind
-rehabilitating ISIS fighers
-on vacation in florida

Meltdown99

Braid: In dig at Ottawa, Notley says no carbon deal without pipeline

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/braid-notley-needs-to-lay-off-b-c-go-after-ottawa-instead

1ThoughtKnown

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

With your obvious political leanings it seems odd you would have such an opinion on the Conservative leadership race in Ontario...
but then I realized the Liberal Premier has the lowest approval rating in history because of scandal, boondoggles, the mismanagement of the adoption of renewable energy, etc. etc. etc.  and that anyone the Conservatives trot out will inevitably win.

As unlikely as a Notley win in Alberta was (and I have said previously I think she is doing a good job I just wish they would balance the budget sooner than later) it came about because people wanted change.  Ford would not be my first choice but the other candidates seemed rather uninspiring.  Ford has the name recognition and said just enough about anti-abortion (which I do not believe in) to get the votes from that social conservative whack job he was running against.

I don't play too close attention to Ontario politics but my in-laws live in Sudbury (conservative area) so I'm mildly interested.

On another note, isn't it cute to see our PM on CNN and MSNBC letting Americans know he won't be pushed around by Donald Trump and it was a good idea the Tariffs on our steel and aluminum were not levied (I agree).  He is visiting steel mills and shaking hands to show his support for the hardworking Ontarians and Quebecers in the steel industry.
Where have you been for Albertans as the BC government has been illegally blocking a federally approved pipeline (pipelines are federal jurisdiction).  Why aren't you on CBC and CTV explaining to all Canadians you will not stand idly and you will support the hardworking Canadians in the oil industry as the world is clamoring for our energy resource? 

Hiding behind the environmental debate won't work as steel mills and ore mining contribute greatly to CO2 emissions.  Since Alberta emits only 1.63% of the world's emissions neither industry amounts to much.  Trudeau is floundering from that botched trip to India, the misuse of public funds for a vacation,  and the mishandling of NAFTA negotiations and took this opportunity to try and rekindle some hope in the places he needs to get votes.

If you wonder why Albertans have an attitude problem, this is it.  Any Prime Minister from Quebec outside of Jena Chretien had no use for Alberta. The shortsightedness of this is economic suicide for the country. And as Trudeau throws all of his support behind the steel industry of Eastern Canada he continues to let the oil industry of Alberta flounder for no good reason.  The lack of empathy is astounding... and remember his government APPROVED this pipeline and is doing nothing about it.  

All the NIMBY environmentalists of this forum can now let me have it, with all of your plastic, gas powered transportation, flights to vacations... everything else that oil contributes to your lucky, fat-cat western civilization standard of living.  Noone is complaining about the 400 tankers a week bringing oil through the Juan de Fuca straight from Alaska to the 5 refineries in Seattle.
How about the natural gas we have that China so desperately needs to produce power as they move away from coal? A pipeline to the coast with liquefied natural gas would be a huge boon to our economy and help with worldwide emissions. NOOOO! LEAVE IT IN THE GROUND THEY SAY as they sleep comfortably in their warm natural gas heated homes.   It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Being a humanitarian first would go a long way in solving the environmental issues... just sayin.

Well, your lack of empathy for the perspective of British Columbians against the pipeline is also astounding, so, you know, glass houses and all.

That argument holds no water (pun intended).  The pipeline process includes a rigorous, and I mean rigorous, environmental approval process.
Funny you are still stuck on the pipeline, yet have no problem with the other 400 tankers traveling through the strait each day.  I respect the environmental concerns, however I also respect the PROCESS.  This pipeline expansion was approved.

I'd have empathy if nothing you use, consume, drive, heat, or anything else did not use oil. 
I'd have empathy if the entire world had the advantages we all have because of OIL. 
I'd have empathy if you were also protesting the tankers who bring oil from countries who have no care for human rights or the environment in their production process (anywhere else in the world compared to Canada).
I'd have empathy if you did the research and followed the money trail to see where all the anti-pipeline funding is coming from. Keeping Canadian oil landlocked only benefits one country. The US.  I encourage you to look into it. Eye opening. Environmentalism is business and the truth is being clouded.
I'd have empathy if you understood countries like South Korea WANT our oil because they can't produce their own.  They want our ethical oil. Oil produced with environmental respect.
I'd have empathy if "British Columbians" (you talk as if you speak for all of them, which I know you don't) took the time to understand this pipeline expansion is part of a larger plan.  Money from the royalties of each barrel of oil is planned to invest in renewable energy research and development.  The carbon tax which Alberta already has will be increased to also fund the R&D.  This is billions of dollars going to further the R&D in renewables not currently available. 

"Nevermind" all the economic benefits which will affect Canadians from coast to coast for jobs in the oil industry AND jobs in renewables R&D and eventual implementation.  The absolute short-shortsightedness of all the protesters in BC, fueled by money from sources who wish to do nothing but keep Alberta oil landlocked because they get it for 40% off is reprehensible. 

If this post doesn't at a minimum give you a moment to ponder your position, then you even mentioning the word empathy is defined with one word - hypocrisy.  I am not saying you have to like pipelines. I am saying there is more at stake than you realize.  There is absolutely no safer, cost-effective or environmentally friendly way to ship oil than pipeline.  The fear mongering is unsubstantiated.  Can you imagine how idiotic we must look to the rest of the world?  They want our resource (badly) and we can't even figure out how to get it to our own coast.

Makes Trump look like a genius...

1ThoughtKnown

Meltdown99

Wynne spills the beans on carbon pricing

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/h-wynne-spills-the-beans-on-carbon-pricing

Thats all carbon taxes, just another tax grab....