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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Big Bank Hank said:

    this is the face of the Democratic Party
    That’s your contribution - taking a doctored photo and making assumptions about someone’s competence based on appearance? Nice. 
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  • mrussel1
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    PJPOWER said:
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    my2hands said:
    People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 
    Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?
    VOLUNTEERS!  
    ??  That’s right, the armed teachers are volunteers.  I have yet to see anyone say “ we need to require all teachers to arm themselves”
    That doesn't make them effective at what they are signing up for.  My concern isn't whether they are willing to do it, it's whether they are putting more children in danger because a second weapon has now entered the fray.  Competency is pretty goddam important in this equation, not willingness.  
  • PJPOWER
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 
    Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?
    VOLUNTEERS!  
    ??  That’s right, the armed teachers are volunteers.  I have yet to see anyone say “ we need to require all teachers to arm themselves”
    That doesn't make them effective at what they are signing up for.  My concern isn't whether they are willing to do it, it's whether they are putting more children in danger because a second weapon has now entered the fray.  Competency is pretty goddam important in this equation, not willingness.  
    Hey, I would want to take every measure to prevent accidents as well. Training/education leads to competency/safety.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,131
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 
    Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?
    VOLUNTEERS!  
    ??  That’s right, the armed teachers are volunteers.  I have yet to see anyone say “ we need to require all teachers to arm themselves”
    That doesn't make them effective at what they are signing up for.  My concern isn't whether they are willing to do it, it's whether they are putting more children in danger because a second weapon has now entered the fray.  Competency is pretty goddam important in this equation, not willingness.  
    All of the requirements are up to the local governing commission regarding the selection, approval and determination of fitness, along with having a CC permit and having gone through the training as defined by statute. "Yup, he's my cousin Merle but I can vouch for him. He's a straight shooter., no pun, and my other cousin Daryl, he gives psychological exams on the side. See, now, Merle has a job. 89's not too old and what are the chances. He just needs to get out of the house and out of Martha's hair, you know."
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
    This one has some great audio. 




    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    ^^ Between Trump's anti-immigration, anti-gay stances and now this, the GOP is losing the Millenials and Gen Z.  
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    Kat said:
    This one has some great audio. 




    I don't agree with her, but I'd never jeer or boo someone who at least showed up. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Draining the swamp?

    Mueller files new charges against former Trump aides Paul Manafort, Rick Gates - USA TODAY https://apple.news/AqOCPytwKT_i8tz3c6W58uw
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Yeah I wonder if Manafort will cop a plea now....tax fraud is not pretty
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  • dignin
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    tbergs said:
    Kat said:
    This one has some great audio. 




    I don't agree with her, but I'd never jeer or boo someone who at least showed up. 
    I would. She is a terrible human being. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnIVVWtAag

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNtZqdT_MY



    And then that nonsense she was spewing this morning.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah I wonder if Manafort will cop a plea now....tax fraud is not pretty
    He’s got some serious thinking to do.
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  • my2hands
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    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 
    Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?
    Maybe if you read a little you would see numerous examples given of why arming teachers is a horrid idea. I could go on for days, but it won't change your mind. Nothing will change your mind.

    Is that all you have, more guns? what else you got chief?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    32 count indictment. Seems Team Mueller is playing for keeps. Anyone think some of that laundered money made its way to the RNC and Team Trump Treason? Awful lot of money moving around.

    Follow the money from Russia with Love and a PTAPE all the way to impeachment.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/new-charges-manafort-and-gates/index.html
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  • dignin
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    32 count indictment. Seems Team Mueller is playing for keeps. Anyone think some of that laundered money made its way to the RNC and Team Trump Treason? Awful lot of money moving around.

    Follow the money from Russia with Love and a PTAPE all the way to impeachment.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/new-charges-manafort-and-gates/index.html
    Yeah, I don't see how this doesn't come back to Trump. I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't have dirt on him given his ties to all these shady figures. Mueller is coming down hard on Manafort, probably to flip him for bigger fish, because remember, the investigation isn't over.
  • rgambs
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    stuckinline said:
    Abe Froman said:
    And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

    Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 
    No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

    (CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

    "These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."
    I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
    TX has been doing it a while...
    http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

    "If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."
    Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  
    Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.
    I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  
    Therefore?
    Therefore ban the fucking weapons.  Is my position unclear to you?
    Thanks for the snarky remark, but you did just point out that it is not quite as easy as “just ban them” due to politicians being in the pockets of the the NRA.
    I cannot ban them, you cannot ban them...politicians can’t seem to ban them...
    therefore?
    Therefore the voters need to make the change because the cowards are owned by the NRA.  When the cowards fear the voters more than the NRA, change will happen.  I hope that's what we are seeing right now.  
    We lost to Trump, we are on the ropes.  Until November there's no reason to think we have a chance at getting anything done.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,670
    This is a great point in the thread to remind us of a fun crossover story, alleging Russian money was funneled through the NRA, to support the trump campaign: 
    https://www.snopes.com/2018/02/16/did-kremlin-give-money-to-nra/
  • rgambs
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    mrussel1 said:
    ^^ Between Trump's anti-immigration, anti-gay stances and now this, the GOP is losing the Millenials and Gen Z.  
    I hope that bears out, I really really do.
    The reaction to this tragedy is the first sign of hope Ive seen.

    And every meme and comment about Tide Pods will drive more young folks to vote for Democrats, but will it be enough?
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  • Big Bank Hank
    Big Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    Big Bank Hank said:

    this is the face of the Democratic Party
    Yeah, who's your face?  A serial adulterer?  A serial groper?  A serial liar?  Congratulations, you must be proud.  The Roy Moore thing must have really been dynamite.  
    no I am a Bernie supporter, and I don't support people who are corrupt or evil, and I voted for Jill Stein, blind loyalty, not judging things based solely on which Party they are affiliated with, and if you can't acknowledge based upon recent interviews that Nancy Pelosi has completely lost it, then that makes you completely partisan and unable to engage in critical thinking, cause even Ray Charles can see Nancy has lost it, here's CNN so definitely not Conservative
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Wx0NmKhdA

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Go Beavers said:
    This is a great point in the thread to remind us of a fun crossover story, alleging Russian money was funneled through the NRA, to support the trump campaign: 
    https://www.snopes.com/2018/02/16/did-kremlin-give-money-to-nra/
    Little Wayne LaPerrier’s fire and brimstone and talk of socialism won’t save him from a Team Mueller indictment. I’m telling you, this goes far deeper and further than you can imagine. Tricky Dick will look like a Weeblow.
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  • mrussel1
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    Big Bank Hank said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    this is the face of the Democratic Party
    Yeah, who's your face?  A serial adulterer?  A serial groper?  A serial liar?  Congratulations, you must be proud.  The Roy Moore thing must have really been dynamite.  
    no I am a Bernie supporter, and I don't support people who are corrupt or evil, and I voted for Jill Stein, blind loyalty, not judging things based solely on which Party they are affiliated with, and if you can't acknowledge based upon recent interviews that Nancy Pelosi has completely lost it, then that makes you completely partisan and unable to engage in critical thinking, cause even Ray Charles can see Nancy has lost it, here's CNN so definitely not Conservative
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Wx0NmKhdA

    I could give a shit about the minority leader.  Inconsequential and a scare tactic used by the right.  
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