Donald Trump

mrussel1

letsongsprotest said:

my2hands said:

Arming teachers is a MORONIC idea

Absolutely. What happens the first time an armed teacher snaps and goes on a shooting spree?  

Let's just arm the students too just in case that happens, right?  How about we strap guns on our dogs too just in case.  

I wouldn't worry about a teacher snapping.  They could do that right now and bring a gun to school, and no one would know until it's too late.  I'd be far more concerned about the shootout in the hallways, if the teacher even brandished the weapon.  There is chaos with an active shooter, it's not mano a mano at the OK Corral, it's people running all over.  The teacher, who would likely not be an expert marksman, would be almost as dangerous as the shooter.  Sorry, the ability to teach children geometry and hit a moving target are generally not overlapping skills.  

CM189191

Philando Castile was a legally licensed and armed teacher.

my2hands

mrussel1 said:

letsongsprotest said:

my2hands said:

Arming teachers is a MORONIC idea

Absolutely. What happens the first time an armed teacher snaps and goes on a shooting spree?  

Let's just arm the students too just in case that happens, right?  How about we strap guns on our dogs too just in case.  

I wouldn't worry about a teacher snapping.  They could do that right now and bring a gun to school, and no one would know until it's too late.  I'd be far more concerned about the shootout in the hallways, if the teacher even brandished the weapon.  There is chaos with an active shooter, it's not mano a mano at the OK Corral, it's people running all over.  The teacher, who would likely not be an expert marksman, would be almost as dangerous as the shooter.  Sorry, the ability to teach children geometry and hit a moving target are generally not overlapping skills.  

or when the teacher, or any other "good guy" carrying a firearm for that matter, is confused for the actual threat by responding police and gets shot... I had a training by the police on active shooters last week... i've had several actually... and this is always a huge concern for them and a word of caution to the public that john q public with a conceal carry permit is likely to get shot themselves in all of the confusion...

Too many Americans have some romantic view of john Wayne saving the day, when all they really do is make it that much more dangerous

How many mistakes involving guns do we see everyday by well trained police? Now we want school teachers to carry and react with perfect decisions and accurate shots in high stress situations? 

It's amazing how well the propaganda campaign works, so well that some Americans are actually discussing it as an option. It's absurd

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

letsongsprotest said:

my2hands said:

Arming teachers is a MORONIC idea

Absolutely. What happens the first time an armed teacher snaps and goes on a shooting spree?  

Let's just arm the students too just in case that happens, right?  How about we strap guns on our dogs too just in case.  

I wouldn't worry about a teacher snapping.  They could do that right now and bring a gun to school, and no one would know until it's too late.  I'd be far more concerned about the shootout in the hallways, if the teacher even brandished the weapon.  There is chaos with an active shooter, it's not mano a mano at the OK Corral, it's people running all over.  The teacher, who would likely not be an expert marksman, would be almost as dangerous as the shooter.  Sorry, the ability to teach children geometry and hit a moving target are generally not overlapping skills.  

or when the teacher, or any other "good guy" carrying a firearm for that matter, is confused for the actual threat by responding police and gets shot... I had a training by the police on active shooters last week... i've had several actually... and this is always a huge concern for them and a word of caution to the public that john q public with a conceal carry permit is likely to get shot themselves in all of the confusion...

Too many Americans have some romantic view of john Wayne saving the day, when all they really do is make it that much more dangerous

How many mistakes involving guns do we see everyday by well trained police? Now we want school teachers to carry and react with perfect decisions and accurate shots in high stress situations? 

It's amazing how well the propaganda campaign works, so well that some Americans are actually discussing it as an option. It's absurd

Some Americans? The fucking POTUS is discussing it as an option.

my2hands

Point taken

riotgrl

mrussel1 said:

letsongsprotest said:

my2hands said:

Arming teachers is a MORONIC idea

Absolutely. What happens the first time an armed teacher snaps and goes on a shooting spree?  

Let's just arm the students too just in case that happens, right?  How about we strap guns on our dogs too just in case.  

I wouldn't worry about a teacher snapping.  They could do that right now and bring a gun to school, and no one would know until it's too late.  I'd be far more concerned about the shootout in the hallways, if the teacher even brandished the weapon.  There is chaos with an active shooter, it's not mano a mano at the OK Corral, it's people running all over.  The teacher, who would likely not be an expert marksman, would be almost as dangerous as the shooter.  Sorry, the ability to teach children geometry and hit a moving target are generally not overlapping skills.  

What is just as likely is that said teacher tries shooting at active shooter and then kills or maims an innocent bystander because of the chaos.  Will these states assume liability for that teachers actions when they are sued?  Probably not, considering that they won't even live up to their pension obligations in my state.

mrussel1

riotgrl said:

mrussel1 said:

letsongsprotest said:

my2hands said:

Arming teachers is a MORONIC idea

Absolutely. What happens the first time an armed teacher snaps and goes on a shooting spree?  

Let's just arm the students too just in case that happens, right?  How about we strap guns on our dogs too just in case.  

I wouldn't worry about a teacher snapping.  They could do that right now and bring a gun to school, and no one would know until it's too late.  I'd be far more concerned about the shootout in the hallways, if the teacher even brandished the weapon.  There is chaos with an active shooter, it's not mano a mano at the OK Corral, it's people running all over.  The teacher, who would likely not be an expert marksman, would be almost as dangerous as the shooter.  Sorry, the ability to teach children geometry and hit a moving target are generally not overlapping skills.  

What is just as likely is that said teacher tries shooting at active shooter and then kills or maims an innocent bystander because of the chaos.  Will these states assume liability for that teachers actions when they are sued?  Probably not, considering that they won't even live up to their pension obligations in my state.

That's exactly right.. it's chaos in the hallways.  The whole idea is absurd. Oh and btw, teachers are overpaid, remember?

Go Beavers

This armed teacher idea just sounds like a horrible idea. Not just in situations where there’s an armed shooter, but other times where there’s kids fighting and some teacher decides it’s time to take control of the situation with the gun. Or just some kid freaking out.  Not to mention when I think back to high school and imagine 20% of the teachers carrying? No thanks. 

rgambs

People are overreacting to the idea of teachers being armed.
Do you folks not realize that security guards are not usually highly trained or vetted?
The Vegas shooter was a security guard.  

Chaos in the hallways?  There's already chaos in the hallways, and the shooter is the eye of the storm.  

dignin

rgambs said:

People are overreacting to the idea of teachers being armed.
Do you folks not realize that security guards are not usually highly trained or vetted?
The Vegas shooter was a security guard.  

Chaos in the hallways?  There's already chaos in the hallways, and the shooter is the eye of the storm.  

Trump thinks it's a great idea, that should give anyone pause.

tbergs

dignin said:

rgambs said:

People are overreacting to the idea of teachers being armed.
Do you folks not realize that security guards are not usually highly trained or vetted?
The Vegas shooter was a security guard.  

Chaos in the hallways?  There's already chaos in the hallways, and the shooter is the eye of the storm.  

Trump thinks it's a great idea, that should give anyone pause.

If he could make it an executive order he would do it in a heartbeat.

oftenreading

In the latest shooting, an innocent student was handcuffed by police and held for a period of time because he bore some resemblance to the shooter (similar outfit and build). I would hate to think what might have happened if an armed and panicked teacher got to him first. 

Abe Froman

rgambs said:

People are overreacting to the idea of teachers being armed.
Do you folks not realize that security guards are not usually highly trained or vetted?
The Vegas shooter was a security guard.  

Chaos in the hallways?  There's already chaos in the hallways, and the shooter is the eye of the storm.  

Trump is tweeting about arming teachers and coaches. Even if they are somewhat “trained” this is a terrrible idea. Being in a life and death situation with bunch of kids involved is a whole different ballgame than having “some background” or “training” with guns. 

cincybearcat

oftenreading said:

In the latest shooting, an innocent student was handcuffed by police and held for a period of time because he bore some resemblance to the shooter (similar outfit and build). I would hate to think what might have happened if an armed and panicked teacher got to him first. 

This.  We criticize the hell out of police officers shooting in stressful situations and they are trained.  Now we want Mary and George the math and english teachers to make these life decisions?  Please.

elvistheking44

Abe Froman said:

rgambs said:

People are overreacting to the idea of teachers being armed.
Do you folks not realize that security guards are not usually highly trained or vetted?
The Vegas shooter was a security guard.  

Chaos in the hallways?  There's already chaos in the hallways, and the shooter is the eye of the storm.  

Trump is tweeting about arming teachers and coaches. Even if they are somewhat “trained” this is a terrrible idea. Being in a life and death situation with bunch of kids involved is a whole different ballgame than having “some background” or “training” with guns. 

I can't think of a single teacher, in either of my kids schools that I'd feel comfortable with handling a gun.

Abe Froman

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

In the latest shooting, an innocent student was handcuffed by police and held for a period of time because he bore some resemblance to the shooter (similar outfit and build). I would hate to think what might have happened if an armed and panicked teacher got to him first. 

This.  We criticize the hell out of police officers shooting in stressful situations and they are trained.  Now we want Mary and George the math and english teachers to make these life decisions?  Please.

Exactly. 

Abe Froman

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

stuckinline

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

Halifax2TheMax

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

Not just a bonus, “a little bit of a bonus.” Must of been thinking with his dick when he blurted that out.

PJPOWER

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."