Donald Trump

rgambs

Straw men and slippery slopes.
It's unbecoming.

oftenreading

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

“These people are cowards”? How is it that Trump knows so much about the psychology of mass shooters?

It seems that most are angry, desperate and suicidal. Knowing that a percentage of school staff are armed probably won’t make much difference. Going out in a blaze of glory is often the goal. 

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

tbergs

oftenreading said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

“These people are cowards”? How is it that Trump knows so much about the psychology of mass shooters?

It seems that most are angry, desperate and suicidal. Knowing that a percentage of school staff are armed probably won’t make much difference. Going out in a blaze of glory is often the goal. 

Or as NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch stated several times last night, "crazy" and "insane".

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Gern Blansten

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I listened to this live...I can't believe this dumb fucker is POTUS.  What a fucking idiot.

By the way...the next line was "and they will love that bonus"....not fucking kidding

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Therefore?

Big Bank Hank

Big Bank Hank

this is the face of the Democratic Party

my2hands

People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 

Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Therefore?

Therefore ban the fucking weapons.  Is my position unclear to you?

mrussel1

Big Bank Hank said:

this is the face of the Democratic Party

Yeah, who's your face?  A serial adulterer?  A serial groper?  A serial liar?  Congratulations, you must be proud.  The Roy Moore thing must have really been dynamite.  

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Therefore?

Therefore ban the fucking weapons.  Is my position unclear to you?

Thanks for the snarky remark, but you did just point out that it is not quite as easy as “just ban them” due to politicians being in the pockets of the the NRA.
I cannot ban them, you cannot ban them...politicians can’t seem to ban them...
therefore?

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Therefore?

Therefore ban the fucking weapons.  Is my position unclear to you?

Thanks for the snarky remark, but you did just point out that it is not quite as easy as “just ban them” due to politicians being in the pockets of the the NRA.
I cannot ban them, you cannot ban them...politicians can’t seem to ban them...
therefore?

Therefore the voters need to make the change because the cowards are owned by the NRA.  When the cowards fear the voters more than the NRA, change will happen.  I hope that's what we are seeing right now.  

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 

Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?

Who's going to pay?

In Texas, teacher salaries can begin at a minimum of$27,320 for a teacher with no experience, a minimum of $31,560 for a teacher with five years of experience, a minimum of $37,040 for a teacher with 10 years of experience, and a minimum of $44,270 for teachers with 20+ years of experience, according to the Texas 

And what's Team Trump Treason's "little bit of a bonus" amount to?

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

stuckinline said:

Abe Froman said:

And where does it stop?  Do counselors get to be armed too?  The janitor?  Cafeteria workers?  

Its a a horrible idea. Period. More guns is not the answer. 

No worries, Trumpty Dumpty proposes giving the teachers a bonus.

(CNN)President Donald Trump spent Thursday grappling with how to prevent more school massacres and address the gun debate gripping the country, offering solutions such as giving bonuses to teachers who undergo gun training.

"These people are cowards. They're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns -- it may be 10% or may be 40%. And what I'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. We give them a little bit of a bonus," Trump said. "They'll frankly feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. But you give them a little bit of a bonus."

I’m cool with it and will be looking for schools with some degree of armed staff once my child reaches school age.
TX has been doing it a while...
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/tasb-110-school-districts-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns

"If someone is approved to carry, they go through a psychological assessment very similar to a school marshal program that's allowed here in Texas,” Dockery said. “They also have to have a CHL and they would also go through training with law enforcement in our area."

Or...we could just do the rational thing and ban AR and similar type weapons and not need to arm people whose primary skill is teaching, not tactical special ops.  

Then do it...what’s stopping you?  Oh yeah, politicians...I, for one, am glad these TX schools are doing things NOW instead of hoping a law will change.  Anyways, whole other thread about this.

I'm no King, but thanks for that snarky, useless statement.  And yes, politicians... politicians in the pocket of the NRA.  Congressman that value their jobs more than the lives of others.  Congressman that would rather someone lose a life rather than them losing their seat.  

Therefore?

Therefore ban the fucking weapons.  Is my position unclear to you?

Thanks for the snarky remark, but you did just point out that it is not quite as easy as “just ban them” due to politicians being in the pockets of the the NRA.
I cannot ban them, you cannot ban them...politicians can’t seem to ban them...
therefore?

Therefore the voters need to make the change because the cowards are owned by the NRA.  When the cowards fear the voters more than the NRA, change will happen.  I hope that's what we are seeing right now.  

All I’m seeing is a bunch of Democrats calling for bans and a bunch of republicans calling for armed teachers...doesn’t sound like an all out ban will happen any time soon, but keep it in your wishlist for down the road...sometime...

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 

Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?

VOLUNTEERS!  

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

People aren't overreacting at all, we are reacting to what's clearly  horrible idea. Arming teachers is a terrible idea on so many levels, yet is finding it's way into mainstream conversations somehow 

Yet the only arguments against arming teachers seem to involve straw man fallacies and exaggerations.  Why is arming teachers a bad idea (without any straw man or exaggerations)?

VOLUNTEERS!  

??  That’s right, the armed teachers are volunteers.  I have yet to see anyone say “ we need to require all teachers to arm themselves”