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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJ_Soul said:
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    the headlines I see when I google "trump treason" are laughable and fear mongering at its finest. "in dictator move...." is one of the funniest. But hey, I guess I'm a trump supporter now, right?
    But he makes a lot of "dictator moves". I'm not sure I see the benefit of blowing of any of his comments, be they serious or not. All of them speak to his general thinking. Even jokes have a kernel of truth, and since you mentioned context... the context of Trump in particular saying shit like this actually does mean something more than if someone else said it.
    Pretty sure nobody is accusing you of being a Trump supporter, lol. 
    I have been called a Trump apologist in the past for no other reason than exhibiting some objectivity, so who knows what's next.

    Obama reversed his position on the Patriot Act when he was president from when he was senator. I didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit over it. 

    I didn't say blow them off. I said don't jump to hysterics every time he says something stupid. it is important to call him out on his bullshit in a rational way, but all this constant over-reaction will desensitize everyone to everything. The boy who cried wolf, as it were. 
    But Obama didn't regularly and repeatedly display the traits and actions of a dictator. That comparison actually kind of proves my point. If Trump only said this, or just one thing in particular, and no other things that make him seem like a fascist, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Everyone understands the context in which Trump said this specific comment - we're not all idiots. But the fact that he was "making a funny" in this one instance really isn't the point.
    not sure how it proves your point when I wasn't countering your point to begin with. Again, I said don't blow it off, but it's not as hysterical as everyone is making it out to be. there are checks and balances to what he can do. Of course Obama didn't act like this; for one, he seems like a likeable guy, two, even if he wasn't, he is infinitely smarter than Trump and knew what to say in public and what not to. 

    and yes, we would be having this conversation if he only said one thing like this. we have been having this conversation since the first stupid thing he said. it just so happens that the topic of conversation changes because he says things like this quicker than we can forget the last one. 

    there is a very small subsection of supporters that actually take trump seriously at his every word. everyone else supports "his" agenda, but simply blows off his stupid comments as just that, stupid. they tolerate his idiocy to further their conservative agenda. 
    :confused: Er, okay... what I meant was, then, the Obama comparison doesn't work. You didn't see anyone on the left calling him a dictator or the media going ape-shit because him doing it didn't make him suddenly seem like a dictator (of course, it was controversial - it's not like people ignored what it meant for America). I actually don't feel like anyone has been "hysterical" about it anyway TBH. And I don't see how "checks and balances" really play in here. Frankly, I think these so-called checks and balances are much less reliable than a lot of people seem to think they are. Democracy is degraded slowly through propaganda, through a bunch of little things that work on the minds of the people and on the way government is run. That only a minority of people support Trump doesn't change that fact. All the tweets, all the quips, combined with all the firings, all the attacks on the justice system and the media, the subtle but purposeful erosion of public trust in the current system ... all those thing culminate into something very dangerous that these "checks and balances" don't necessarily stop in the long run.
    how are they less reliable than people think they are? so Trump can just change the constitution on his own so he can become the ultimate ruler for all times?
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  • dignin
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    CRISIS BREWING

    The ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Is How Fascists Discredit Democracy

    The efforts to call into question the motivations of top officials at the FBI are creating a constitutional crisis.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-conspiracy-is-how-fascists-discredit-democracy
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And to think that people still believe “there was no collusion.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/06/politics/donald-trump-mueller-testimony-analysis/index.html
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    dignin said:

    CRISIS BREWING

    The ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Is How Fascists Discredit Democracy

    The efforts to call into question the motivations of top officials at the FBI are creating a constitutional crisis.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-conspiracy-is-how-fascists-discredit-democracy
    Did you see how he struck the Mussolini pose several times during the SOTU?
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  • Gern Blansten
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    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/372584-flake-trumps-treason-comments-not-normal


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  • Gern Blansten
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    Go Beavers said:
    Whenever I’ve watched CNN lately they always have some trump shill/apologist. They give him time to speak and he just sounds ridiculous trying to make something trump is saying or doing into something else to appear digestible. 
    Yeah and why has Scaramucci been allowed to speak again?  He popped up on Bill Maher Friday night and was on This Week Sunday morning...he gets combative with everyone.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    dignin said:
    Because no country has ever went from a functioning democracy to a dictatorship ever. It's like people don't "history" anymore.

    I'm sure when those countries checks, balances, norms and institutions were under attack daily there were people telling the people who were raising the alarm that they were being hysterical.

    Don't worry, everything will be A.O.K!
    yeah, because I don't believe it's the same as 1930's germany I don't understand history. SMFH. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Go Beavers said:
    Whenever I’ve watched CNN lately they always have some trump shill/apologist. They give him time to speak and he just sounds ridiculous trying to make something trump is saying or doing into something else to appear digestible. 
    I don't watch often, but when I do, it's the opposite. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    dignin said:

    CRISIS BREWING

    The ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Is How Fascists Discredit Democracy

    The efforts to call into question the motivations of top officials at the FBI are creating a constitutional crisis.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-conspiracy-is-how-fascists-discredit-democracy
    how many times over the last year have we heard the alarm bells of "CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS!" sounded?

    everyone hit the deck! 
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  • Kev - Coat and Keys
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    Trump said (ie. tweeted) something about the UK the other day in regards to our health care system.
    Obviously he was completely wrong (he saw something on Fox) and ended up kinda arguing against Conservative opinion's.
    But I think we just laugh it off now, and expect UK-US 'special' relations to go back to normal if American's can elect somebody more stable and genius-like.
    But can they?
  • dignin
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Because no country has ever went from a functioning democracy to a dictatorship ever. It's like people don't "history" anymore.

    I'm sure when those countries checks, balances, norms and institutions were under attack daily there were people telling the people who were raising the alarm that they were being hysterical.

    Don't worry, everything will be A.O.K!
    yeah, because I don't believe it's the same as 1930's germany I don't understand history. SMFH. 
    You got me, 1930's Germany is obviously the only example of a democracy slipping into dictatorship. 

    SYFH indeed! ;)
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Because no country has ever went from a functioning democracy to a dictatorship ever. It's like people don't "history" anymore.

    I'm sure when those countries checks, balances, norms and institutions were under attack daily there were people telling the people who were raising the alarm that they were being hysterical.

    Don't worry, everything will be A.O.K!
    yeah, because I don't believe it's the same as 1930's germany I don't understand history. SMFH. 
    You got me, 1930's Germany is obviously the only example of a democracy slipping into dictatorship. 

    SYFH indeed! ;)
    and you honestly see that as plausible in the US? 
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  • dignin
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Because no country has ever went from a functioning democracy to a dictatorship ever. It's like people don't "history" anymore.

    I'm sure when those countries checks, balances, norms and institutions were under attack daily there were people telling the people who were raising the alarm that they were being hysterical.

    Don't worry, everything will be A.O.K!
    yeah, because I don't believe it's the same as 1930's germany I don't understand history. SMFH. 
    You got me, 1930's Germany is obviously the only example of a democracy slipping into dictatorship. 

    SYFH indeed! ;)
    and you honestly see that as plausible in the US? 
    Likely? No. But definitely plausible. And a lot of people way smarter than me think it's a possibility and think we should do everything we can to sound the alarm and guard against it. I just listened to a Sam Harris podcast where he had David Frum and Andrew Sullivan as guests. They make a very strong case as to why we should be concerned and use history as a warning sign.

    Here is the podcast.

    https://samharris.org/podcasts/114-politics-and-sanity/

    And here it is in video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scaI_-8w-Xo
  • my2hands
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    So because we don't have gas chambers we should just enjoy our milk & cookies quietly?

    Um, no
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    my2hands said:
    So because we don't have gas chambers we should just enjoy our milk & cookies quietly?

    Um, no
    yep. totally what I said. no middle ground available. none. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Look no further than the damage caused by repubes just saying no to Obama for 8 years. We’re on our 4th potential government shut down because we don’t have a budget. 4 times in a year and they control every branch. Purposely making government dysfunctional is another avenue to Facism. It’s not hysteria. Nor should it be normalized.
     
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  • dignin
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Look no further than the damage caused by repubes just saying no to Obama for 8 years. We’re on our 4th potential government shut down because we don’t have a budget. 4 times in a year and they control every branch. Purposely making government dysfunctional is another avenue to Facism. It’s not hysteria. Nor should it be normalized.
     
    H 2 the M gets it!
  • CM189191
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    dignin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Look no further than the damage caused by repubes just saying no to Obama for 8 years. We’re on our 4th potential government shut down because we don’t have a budget. 4 times in a year and they control every branch. Purposely making government dysfunctional is another avenue to Facism. It’s not hysteria. Nor should it be normalized.
     
    H 2 the M gets it!

    AND THEY STOLE A goddamn SUPREME COURT SEAT

    this is not normal times
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I love it whenever someone's view aligns with someone else's that automatically means "they get it!". LOL
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    dignin said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Look no further than the damage caused by repubes just saying no to Obama for 8 years. We’re on our 4th potential government shut down because we don’t have a budget. 4 times in a year and they control every branch. Purposely making government dysfunctional is another avenue to Facism. It’s not hysteria. Nor should it be normalized.
     
    H 2 the M gets it!

    AND THEY STOLE A goddamn SUPREME COURT SEAT

    this is not normal times
    Exactly. As well as packing the judiciary with conservative picks, qualified and not. 
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