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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
    I figured this was coming.

    Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented.  Nothing new about this.

    I'll have to read up more on this.
    Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?
    A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
    Whoops.  Yes subsidies.

    It's the same thing.  It's a bailout for the farmers.  They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.

    The farming industry has been awful for years.  Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze.  They are always having problems.  Yet they always make money.

    Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.

    I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?

    Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.

    We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...

    This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517

    “This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”

    “You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare

    Gotcha!  I mentioned that.


    You said “in part.”  Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine. 
    Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote?  Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.

    I want to know why year after year we keep doing it?  Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.

    Screen shot didn't have usable links.

    Just google it please.
    Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.
    This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    @Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,068
    edited July 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
    I figured this was coming.

    Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented.  Nothing new about this.

    I'll have to read up more on this.
    Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?
    A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
    Whoops.  Yes subsidies.

    It's the same thing.  It's a bailout for the farmers.  They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.

    The farming industry has been awful for years.  Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze.  They are always having problems.  Yet they always make money.

    Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.

    I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?

    Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.

    We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...

    This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517

    “This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”

    “You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare

    Gotcha!  I mentioned that.


    You said “in part.”  Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine. 
    Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote?  Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.

    I want to know why year after year we keep doing it?  Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.

    Screen shot didn't have usable links.

    Just google it please.
    Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.
    This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
    Subsidies is a nice way of saying bailout. 

    My conspiracy theory about farming and government isn’t going over well so I’m bowing out on this one. 

    Doesnt everyone always say “follow the money”!?!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    vaggar99 said:
    @Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.
    And have a crowd with torches showing up outside my house? Ain’t got time for that!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
    I figured this was coming.

    Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented.  Nothing new about this.

    I'll have to read up more on this.
    Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?
    A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
    Whoops.  Yes subsidies.

    It's the same thing.  It's a bailout for the farmers.  They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.

    The farming industry has been awful for years.  Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze.  They are always having problems.  Yet they always make money.

    Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.

    I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?

    Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.

    We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...

    This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.

      https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517

    “This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”

    “You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare

    Gotcha!  I mentioned that.


    You said “in part.”  Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine. 
    Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote?  Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.

    I want to know why year after year we keep doing it?  Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.

    Screen shot didn't have usable links.

    Just google it please.
    Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.
    This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
    Subsidies is a nice way of saying bailout. 

    My conspiracy theory about farming and government isn’t going over well so I’m bowing out on this one. 

    Doesnt everyone always say “follow the money”!?!
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
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    @Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.
    And have a crowd with torches showing up outside my house? Ain’t got time for that!
    getting blocked by the leaders of the those angry mobs is a sort of badge of honor
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    Speaks of polls. New Q poll has him at 38% and this:


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Speaks of polls. New Q poll has him at 38% and this:


    WOOT! WOOT!
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    igotid88 said:
    WOOT DOUBLE WOOT!
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Did we nuke Iran yet?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    my2hands said:
    Did we nuke Iran yet?
    After North Korea. Remember, don’t believe what you read and see.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Delusional 

    Spotting CNN on a TV Aboard Air Force One, Trump Rages Against Reality - The New York Times https://apple.news/A05BtdY6DR52AmCtfMsOweg
     
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    my2hands said:
    Did we nuke Iran yet?
    Fuck yeah! Drop the moamoab!
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    Delusional 

    Spotting CNN on a TV Aboard Air Force One, Trump Rages Against Reality - The New York Times https://apple.news/A05BtdY6DR52AmCtfMsOweg
     
    Trump and his supporters have no clue about reality.  Not much different from the poor people of N. Korea except they choose to be misinformed.
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    Delusional 

    Spotting CNN on a TV Aboard Air Force One, Trump Rages Against Reality - The New York Times https://apple.news/A05BtdY6DR52AmCtfMsOweg
     
    He’s crazy and hellbent on destroying our democracy.
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    edited July 2018
    I thought this was a parody account at first


    19.2k likes, some, sorry, a lot of, people are fucking idiots.
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    I thought this was a parody account at first


    Delusional 
    These lies are very deliberate IMO, not delusional at all. All of his lies are - they have a purpose. Trump understands that if you just lie enough the truth becomes irrelevant. And it's totally working. He is actually a pretty damn good fascist. I think he's really studied up on fascist propaganda tactics, or someone advising him has.
    Pretty much using the "Illusory Truth Effect" on the American people....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    vaggar99 said:

    Good People Don’t Defend A Bad Man

    At times in this life it can be a challenge to figure out who the bad people are, but sometimes they help you.

    Sometimes they do the work for you.

    Sometimes with their every vulgar, bitter word from their mouth, they testify to their personal malignancy and they make it easy to identify them.

    Generally speaking, there are things that good people do and things good people don’t do.

    Good people don’t refer to entire countries as “shitholes”—most notably countries that have given birth to our very humanity; ones that for hundreds of years have been colonized and poached and mined of their riches by powerful white men; countries whose people have been enslaved and sold and forced to come and build your country. 

    Good people by any measurement we might use—simply don’t say such things.

    Of course good people also don’t say they could grab women by the genitalia, either.
    They don’t defend racists and nazis and call them “fine people,” days after murdering a young girl and terrorizing an American city.
    They don’t brag about their penis size during debates, or suggest protestors at campaign rallies should be roughed up, or crack jokes about captured war heroes, or make fun of the physically disabled.
    They don’t.

    Good people don’t tweet anti-Muslim rhetoric in the moments immediately following a bombing in order to bolster a position.
    They don’t leave American territories filled with brown skinned people without power for months upon months, after publicly ridiculing their public servants and questioning their people’s resolve.
    They don’t pull children from the arms of their parents and place them in cages and detention centers.

    They don’t erase protections for the water and the air, for the elderly, the terminally ill, the LGBTQ.
    They don’t take away healthcare from the sick and the poor without an alternative.
    They don’t gouge the working poor and shelter the wealthy.
    They don’t abuse their unrivaled platform to Twitter-bait world leaders and to taunt private citizens.

    Good people don’t prey upon the vulnerable, they don’t leverage their power to bully dissenters, and they don’t campaign for sexual predators.

    But this President is not a good human being, and there’s simply no way around this truth.

    He is the ugliest personification of the Ugly American, which is why, as long as he is here and as long as he represents this nation, we will be a fractured mess and a global embarrassment. He will be the ever lowering bar of our legacy in the world.

    And what is painfully obvious in these moments, isn’t simply that the person alleging to lead this country is a terrible human being—it is that anyone left still defending him, applauding him, justifying him, amening him, probably is too.

    At this point, the only reason left to support this President, is that he reflects your hateful heart; he shares your contempt of people of color, your hostility toward outsiders, your ignorant bigotry, your feeling of supremacy.

    A white President calling countries filled with people of color shitholes, is so far beyond the pale, so beneath decency, and so blatantly racist that it shouldn’t merit conversation. It should be universally condemned. Humanity should be in agreement in abhorring it.

    And yet today (like so many other seemingly rock bottom days in the past twelve months) they will be out there: white people claiming to be good people and Christian people, who will make excuses for him or debate his motives or diminish the damage. 

    They will dig their heels in to explain away or to defend, what at the end of the day is simply a bad human being saying the things that bad human beings say because their hearts harbor very bad things.

    No, good people don’t call countries filled with beautiful, creative, loving men and women shitholes or do most of the horrible things he does.

    And good people don’t defend people who do.

    You’re going to have to make a choice here.

    https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/12/good-people-dont-defend-bad-man/
    Made me sad and angry reading this.
    How low have people stooped that they voted and continue to support this germ.
    I personally have cut someone off from my life because of his support for Trump.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    Delusional 

    Spotting CNN on a TV Aboard Air Force One, Trump Rages Against Reality - The New York Times https://apple.news/A05BtdY6DR52AmCtfMsOweg
     
    Delusional? This is batshit crazy
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,612
    Delusional 

    Spotting CNN on a TV Aboard Air Force One, Trump Rages Against Reality - The New York Times https://apple.news/A05BtdY6DR52AmCtfMsOweg
     
    SAFE SPACE
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,562
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands said:
    Did we nuke Iran yet?
    Fuck yeah! Drop the moamoab!
    The question is, would you cheer if we really nuked Iran?
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    As someone from the outside looking in, I am fucking confused with what's happening over there.
    This North Korea meeting and Putin meeting has left me confused. 
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,133
    I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

    I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,068
    As someone from the outside looking in, I am fucking confused with what's happening over there.
    This North Korea meeting and Putin meeting has left me confused. 
    Why would yo be confused by that?  

    I was confused when Arafat met Clinton years ago but now i understand that world leaders meet world leaders.

    What I really don't understand is what comes out of Trumps mouth after these meetings...
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    As someone from the outside looking in, I am fucking confused with what's happening over there.
    This North Korea meeting and Putin meeting has left me confused. 
    Why would yo be confused by that?  

    I was confused when Arafat met Clinton years ago but now i understand that world leaders meet world leaders.

    What I really don't understand is what comes out of Trumps mouth after these meetings...
    It's the fact that NK have agreed to denuclearise and it isn't happening.
    It's the fact that Trump is siding with Putin over NATO nations and the CIA.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,133
    As someone from the outside looking in, I am fucking confused with what's happening over there.
    This North Korea meeting and Putin meeting has left me confused. 
    Why would yo be confused by that?  

    I was confused when Arafat met Clinton years ago but now i understand that world leaders meet world leaders.

    What I really don't understand is what comes out of Trumps mouth after these meetings...
    It's the fact that NK have agreed to denuclearise and it isn't happening.
    It's the fact that Trump is siding with Putin over NATO nations and the CIA.
    Actually..... https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/politics/north-korea-satellite-images-38-north-sohae/index.html


    hippiemom = goodness
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