Why did they boo Eddie?

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.

I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader. 
Both Eddie and W were protected under the  constitutional to either go to war or record a song. 

What? You're comparing going to war with recording or singing a song? Sorry, that just doesn't compute in this context. The point is that many of the misguided "patriots" at that show wanted to shut Eddie up, shut him down, and that does not represent patriotism in America if the Constitution and the belief in freedom has anything to do with it, which it does.
As for everyone agreeing the war in Afghanistan was warranted... No, I don't think that's the case. I think there are plenty of people who would not agree with that. I personally did agree with it at the time, but in retrospect feel that it was a terrible mistake and literally EVERYTHING should have been done differently.

so four planes were hijacked and three were flown into buildings killings thousands and you wanted to respond how exactly?

Yes going to war and singing a song are both covered under the Constitution.
Why are the people who were booing Eddie "misguided patriots"?  They had a belief and didn't like Ed's opinion. They showed their disapproval by booing and even yelling out "play rock n'roll!!"; Ed even commented how this was good open discussion (or something like that).  I don't recall anybody leaving the show but I do know that songs were omitted from the set list which resulted in the show ending early. So if anything, Ed couldn't handle the criticism, not the other way around.

JC29856 said:

mcgruff10 said:

JC29856 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwlTSzc80

I thought the majority of PJ fans are democrats?

awesome stuff! when was that?

uniondale '03.  (Nassau coliseum)

when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

That's how I hear it anyway, McG. 

Think of it this way:  What happens when a crowd begins to chant?  For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping.  The only purpose for adrenaline  coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response.  A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode.  They're picking for a fight.  And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode.  They are reading to go in for the kill.  And it's not even about survival.  They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.

So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets. 

I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.  

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

brianlux said:

What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing.  It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.

War-like?  how so?  It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.  

it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said. 

I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.

It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.

i remember when i watched wrestling in the 80's, most of the 'bad guys' were foreigners, iraqi, russian, etc. the 'good guy' would inevitably start or encourage a chant of USA USA USA. i always found it humorous. until i would see people in the crowd actually spit on the 'bad guy' , little did they realize (fucking idiots) he was a character and he was actually born in new york. then i saw people doing it in real life at rallies and shit. very unsettling. it almost seems to come from a place of anger, not pride.