Why did they boo Eddie?
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The shit storm you started, Thoughts!Thoughts_Arrive said:Wow 49 notifications because of this thread.
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Because he has the right to voice his opinion from the stage, but the fans don't have the right to voice their opinions from the floor. Duh.mcgruff10 said:
so four planes were hijacked and three were flown into buildings killings thousands and you wanted to respond how exactly?PJ_Soul said:
What? You're comparing going to war with recording or singing a song? Sorry, that just doesn't compute in this context. The point is that many of the misguided "patriots" at that show wanted to shut Eddie up, shut him down, and that does not represent patriotism in America if the Constitution and the belief in freedom has anything to do with it, which it does.mcgruff10 said:
I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader.PJ_Soul said:Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.
Both Eddie and W were protected under the constitutional to either go to war or record a song.
As for everyone agreeing the war in Afghanistan was warranted... No, I don't think that's the case. I think there are plenty of people who would not agree with that. I personally did agree with it at the time, but in retrospect feel that it was a terrible mistake and literally EVERYTHING should have been done differently.
Yes going to war and singing a song are both covered under the Constitution.
Why are the people who were booing Eddie "misguided patriots"? They had a belief and didn't like Ed's opinion. They showed their disapproval by booing and even yelling out "play rock n'roll!!"; Ed even commented how this was good open discussion (or something like that). I don't recall anybody leaving the show but I do know that songs were omitted from the set list which resulted in the show ending early. So if anything, Ed couldn't handle the criticism, not the other way around.0 -
What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
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I was there too 4th row dead center i didn't see any fights at all i just heard a bunch of assholes booing maybe some threw stuff Ed was pissed and they broke into KNOW YOUR RIGHTS by THE CLASH , that was the last show on Long Island you won't see them back here ever again Long Island is shit i can't wait to move out ...JC29856 said:
when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?mcgruff10 said:
uniondale '03. (Nassau coliseum)JC29856 said:
awesome stuff! when was that?Thoughts_Arrive said:jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I was not pissed that they played the song i thought it was very fitting ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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I don't recall anyone throwing anything at Ed (but I definitely could be wrong)....this isn't boston! loljosevolution said:
I was there too 4th row dead center i didn't see any fights at all i just heard a bunch of assholes booing maybe some threw stuff Ed was pissed and they broke into KNOW YOUR RIGHTS by THE CLASH , that was the last show on Long Island you won't see them back here ever again Long Island is shit i can't wait to move out ...JC29856 said:
when you say it turned ugly you mean, like fights broke out or throwing things at the band?mcgruff10 said:
uniondale '03. (Nassau coliseum)JC29856 said:
awesome stuff! when was that?Thoughts_Arrive said:Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
I know huh.brianlux said:
The shit storm you started, Thoughts!Thoughts_Arrive said:Wow 49 notifications because of this thread.
Halts maul everyone.
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this was an absolute killer of a setlist:
04/30/03 - Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum: Uniondale, NY
support act: Sparta
set: Long Road, Rearviewmirror, Animal, Save You, Get Right, I Am Mine, Corduroy, Present Tense, In Hiding, Even Flow, Elderly Woman, Jeremy, You Are, I Am A Patriot, Blood, Not For You, Better Man, Porch
enc 1: Last Kiss, Thumbing My Way, Crazy Mary, Down, Do The Evolution, Daughter/(WMA), Alive
and then it went downhill lol. 'Smile,' 'Indifference' and 'Soldier Of Love' were on the setlist and not played.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
That's how I hear it anyway, McG.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
Think of it this way: What happens when a crowd begins to chant? For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping. The only purpose for adrenaline coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response. A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode. They're picking for a fight. And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode. They are reading to go in for the kill. And it's not even about survival. They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.
So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets.
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I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.brianlux said:
That's how I hear it anyway, McG.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
Think of it this way: What happens when a crowd begins to chant? For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping. The only purpose for adrenaline coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response. A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode. They're picking for a fight. And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode. They are reading to go in for the kill. And it's not even about survival. They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.
So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Eddie handled it just fine.mcgruff10 said:
so four planes were hijacked and three were flown into buildings killings thousands and you wanted to respond how exactly?PJ_Soul said:
What? You're comparing going to war with recording or singing a song? Sorry, that just doesn't compute in this context. The point is that many of the misguided "patriots" at that show wanted to shut Eddie up, shut him down, and that does not represent patriotism in America if the Constitution and the belief in freedom has anything to do with it, which it does.mcgruff10 said:
I think everyone agrees the war in Afghanistan was warranted however Iraq was always the one that people argued about. Some people thought we didn't belong there and others thought it was better to fight the terrorists five thousand miles away instead of here while taking out a pretty horrible leader.PJ_Soul said:Well, considering that Eddie had every right in the world to express his very valid and even verifiable opinion through song under the Constitution, and considering how much damage Bush's war did to America and the world, and considering how it all started on a bed of lies, I think it is actually fairly easy to say who was right in this particular case.
Both Eddie and W were protected under the constitutional to either go to war or record a song.
As for everyone agreeing the war in Afghanistan was warranted... No, I don't think that's the case. I think there are plenty of people who would not agree with that. I personally did agree with it at the time, but in retrospect feel that it was a terrible mistake and literally EVERYTHING should have been done differently.
Yes going to war and singing a song are both covered under the Constitution.
Why are the people who were booing Eddie "misguided patriots"? They had a belief and didn't like Ed's opinion. They showed their disapproval by booing and even yelling out "play rock n'roll!!"; Ed even commented how this was good open discussion (or something like that). I don't recall anybody leaving the show but I do know that songs were omitted from the set list which resulted in the show ending early. So if anything, Ed couldn't handle the criticism, not the other way around.
I personally think that yelling at someone to shut up and play music is an attempt and shutting them down.
I don't want to get into a discussion about how the 9/11 response could have been better handled, in retrospect, in this thread - it would be a complete derailment. Though I'm a bit surprised that anyone wouldn't agree that, in retrospect, it would have been better if done another way, even in terms of Afghanistan.
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That's why I don't feel too bad about not having been to a pro football game before. All those people, all that adrenaline AND massive amounts of beer? Amazing more shit doesn't happen at those types of games-mcgruff10 said:
I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.brianlux said:
That's how I hear it anyway, McG.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
Think of it this way: What happens when a crowd begins to chant? For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping. The only purpose for adrenaline coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response. A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode. They're picking for a fight. And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode. They are reading to go in for the kill. And it's not even about survival. They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.
So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets.
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I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.PJ_Soul said:
I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
People def were ramped up for war after 9/11 I almost got into a weird situation that night I was wearing my gray getright shirt the shirt writing was Arabic looking , when I walked into arena that night some idiot started yelling at me about my shirt i was glad my friend was with me I had to tell the idiot it was a PJ shirt ...brianlux said:
That's why I don't feel too bad about not having been to a pro football game before. All those people, all that adrenaline AND massive amounts of beer? Amazing more shit doesn't happen at those types of games-mcgruff10 said:
I never thought of it that way, good points Bri.brianlux said:
That's how I hear it anyway, McG.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
Think of it this way: What happens when a crowd begins to chant? For one thing, adrenaline starts pumping. The only purpose for adrenaline coursing through the body is to stimulate a flight or fight response. A crowd of people like that are definitely not in flight mode. They're picking for a fight. And when they are in fight mode and that hormone is flooding their system, they are not in a critical thinking mode, they are in an animal mode. They are reading to go in for the kill. And it's not even about survival. They don't really even know why they are doing it because they are temporarily out of their minds.
So you get a stadium full of people zoned out on fight hormones and that's about as war-like as it gets.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Just like any chant it brings people together. Before the Foo Fighters encore at the show I was at everyone chanted “foo fighters” because that’s what was on peoples minds, idk, chants don’t bother me at all. Neither does Eddie being political. Eddie did something, people didn’t like it. They changed for 5 seconds, and life went on.0
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i remember when i watched wrestling in the 80's, most of the 'bad guys' were foreigners, iraqi, russian, etc. the 'good guy' would inevitably start or encourage a chant of USA USA USA. i always found it humorous. until i would see people in the crowd actually spit on the 'bad guy' , little did they realize (fucking idiots) he was a character and he was actually born in new york. then i saw people doing it in real life at rallies and shit. very unsettling. it almost seems to come from a place of anger, not pride.tbergs said:
It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.PJ_Soul said:
I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Oh yeah, it does!HughFreakingDillon said:
i remember when i watched wrestling in the 80's, most of the 'bad guys' were foreigners, iraqi, russian, etc. the 'good guy' would inevitably start or encourage a chant of USA USA USA. i always found it humorous. until i would see people in the crowd actually spit on the 'bad guy' , little did they realize (fucking idiots) he was a character and he was actually born in new york. then i saw people doing it in real life at rallies and shit. very unsettling. it almost seems to come from a place of anger, not pride.tbergs said:
It encourages mob mentality. I can't think of any context where it makes sense in our current free world existence. The only time it is ever used is as a response when an American is making a statement that doesn't 100% support the military or when some blow hard is preaching an inflated ideal that this country is the greatest ever.PJ_Soul said:
I agree. I think most non-Americans find it quite unsettling and icky. There is something quite aggressive and barbaric and mindless about it.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's a brainless rallying cry. i have always found it quite unintelligent. not just in the states. anyone that chants the name of their nation in solidarity of anything to me is bizarre and reminds me of something like what brian said.mcgruff10 said:
War-like? how so? It's a quick chant that gathers steam quickly.brianlux said:What gets me is the "USA, USA" chant thing. It's hollow, thoughtless, war-like without a real cause and just fucking stupid.
People love to blame their troubles on the "other" and rally together as a mob.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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