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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    With a weekend pow wow at camp David, I think we’re seeing an “intervention.” Can’t wait for the tweets.

    The psychiatrist who briefed Congress on Trump’s mental state: this is “an emergency” - Vox https://apple.news/A0hq74sFzRRCuz_R3b16Wxw

    Trump and Republicans to Meet at Camp David With Urgent Matters Looming - The New York Times https://apple.news/Av9NoXZ76Rc-W4R7tcPsGKQ
    I happen to find those scheduled for camp david to be interesting, anyone have the guest list?

    I’ll bet Ryan and Rohrbacher are on the list. Maybe even seated to the left and right of Team Trump Treason. They still get meatloaf and one scoop of ice cream though.
    Not sure about Rohrbach but Ryan and his CoS RSVP'd, so did Pence, Mulvaney, Mattis, Nielsen, McCarthy and his CoS, Scalise and his CoS, McConnell and his CoS, McMorris Rogers and her CoS and Cornyn and his CoS.
    Mulvaney, Mattis and Nielsen? 
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited January 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I find him extremely scary as well. That interview was confirmation for me. This is a guy who is mostly incoherent. He contradicts himself. Contradicts his staff. Doesn't seem to trust anyone. Doesn't read. Is informed almost exclusively through Fox News broadcasts. Doesn't have the ability to formulate a concise, coherent message. He is a habitual liar, although I don't know if he realizes it. He is extremely narcissistic - everything is about him. He doesn't have the country's interest at heart, and is only motivated by kudos, accolades or ratings. He will flip on a position without explanation. He is completely devoid of empathy. I also wonder why he isn't able to drink a glass or bottle of water without both hands, and without needing to bring his mouth down to the glass. Tremors? Most of his inner circle seem to be uncomfortable with him: "fucking idiot", "fucking moron", "idiot", "dumb as shit", "dope", "An idiot surrounded by clowns", "kindergartner", "not only crazy, he's stupid". Those comments are from his team, not his enemies! lol. 
    Anyway, as a president he is deplorable. As a person he is deplorable. There really isn't much good to say about him. [Over the line comment removed by Admin] Until then, I just hope the country doesn't regress too dramatically.
    Post edited by Kat on
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited January 2018
    jeffbr said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I find him extremely scary as well. That interview was confirmation for me. This is a guy who is mostly incoherent. He contradicts himself. Contradicts his staff. Doesn't seem to trust anyone. Doesn't read. Is informed almost exclusively through Fox News broadcasts. Doesn't have the ability to formulate a concise, coherent message. He is a habitual liar, although I don't know if he realizes it. He is extremely narcissistic - everything is about him. He doesn't have the country's interest at heart, and is only motivated by kudos, accolades or ratings. He will flip on a position without explanation. He is completely devoid of empathy. I also wonder why he isn't able to drink a glass or bottle of water without both hands, and without needing to bring his mouth down to the glass. Tremors? Most of his inner circle seem to be uncomfortable with him: "fucking idiot", "fucking moron", "idiot", "dumb as shit", "dope", "An idiot surrounded by clowns", "kindergartner", "not only crazy, he's stupid". Those comments are from his team, not his enemies! lol. 
    Anyway, as a president he is deplorable. As a person he is deplorable. There really isn't much good to say about him. Over the line quoted comment removed by Admin] Until then, I just hope the country doesn't regress too dramatically.
    interesting!
    Post edited by Kat on
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited January 2018
    JC29856 said:
    jeffbr said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I find him extremely scary as well. That interview was confirmation for me. This is a guy who is mostly incoherent. He contradicts himself. Contradicts his staff. Doesn't seem to trust anyone. Doesn't read. Is informed almost exclusively through Fox News broadcasts. Doesn't have the ability to formulate a concise, coherent message. He is a habitual liar, although I don't know if he realizes it. He is extremely narcissistic - everything is about him. He doesn't have the country's interest at heart, and is only motivated by kudos, accolades or ratings. He will flip on a position without explanation. He is completely devoid of empathy. I also wonder why he isn't able to drink a glass or bottle of water without both hands, and without needing to bring his mouth down to the glass. Tremors? Most of his inner circle seem to be uncomfortable with him: "fucking idiot", "fucking moron", "idiot", "dumb as shit", "dope", "An idiot surrounded by clowns", "kindergartner", "not only crazy, he's stupid". Those comments are from his team, not his enemies! lol. 
    Anyway, as a president he is deplorable. As a person he is deplorable. There really isn't much good to say about him. Over the line quoted comment removed by Admin]  Until then, I just hope the country doesn't regress too dramatically.
    interesting!
    Don't worry, I'm on the left coast, and only an observer. I won't be party to any of the above. I'm just being honest in hoping for the best for our country! 
    Post edited by Kat on
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,511
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    actually, he literally can't. there is no "button". if he tried to start nuclear war, there are checks and balances that would stop him. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,511
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I think I just might have a higher threshold for judgment. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    jeffbr said:
    JC29856 said:
    jeffbr said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I find him extremely scary as well. That interview was confirmation for me. This is a guy who is mostly incoherent. He contradicts himself. Contradicts his staff. Doesn't seem to trust anyone. Doesn't read. Is informed almost exclusively through Fox News broadcasts. Doesn't have the ability to formulate a concise, coherent message. He is a habitual liar, although I don't know if he realizes it. He is extremely narcissistic - everything is about him. He doesn't have the country's interest at heart, and is only motivated by kudos, accolades or ratings. He will flip on a position without explanation. He is completely devoid of empathy. I also wonder why he isn't able to drink a glass or bottle of water without both hands, and without needing to bring his mouth down to the glass. Tremors? Most of his inner circle seem to be uncomfortable with him: "fucking idiot", "fucking moron", "idiot", "dumb as shit", "dope", "An idiot surrounded by clowns", "kindergartner", "not only crazy, he's stupid". Those comments are from his team, not his enemies! lol. 
    Anyway, as a president he is deplorable. As a person he is deplorable. There really isn't much good to say about him. Over the line quoted comment removed by Admin]  Until then, I just hope the country doesn't regress too dramatically.
    interesting!
    Don't worry, I'm on the left coast, and only an observer. I won't be party to any of the above. I'm just being honest in hoping for the best for our country! 
    Hey man, I agree. Trump being taken out of commission in whatever way is the best and most likely scenario right now.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    I also find it scary, and I definitely think that interview proves that he is basically incoherent and babbling. I dunno HFD... Your standards for mental stability are a lot lower than mine, and I think I'm pretty open minded about it, lol. ;)
    I think I just might have a higher threshold for judgment. 
    I guess.... I feel like you're taken it to the denial level though.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,511
    you call it denial, I call it objectivity. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    you call it denial, I call it objectivity. 
    I don't think it's objective to blatantly ignore obvious incoherence. But okay.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,569
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    actually, he literally can't. there is no "button". if he tried to start nuclear war, there are checks and balances that would stop him. 

    The only check is if people defy his order, which then has other implications. 
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    PJ_Soul said:
    you call it denial, I call it objectivity. 
    I don't think it's objective to blatantly ignore obvious incoherence. But okay.
    I was pretty sure HFD is just saying that a mentally unfit person vs. a person unfit for the job of President are two different things, and that clearly this person is unfit for the job of President, and that this book doesn’t really change that known reality from before these excerpts. If I interpreted that right, I agree.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    you call it denial, I call it objectivity. 
    I don't think it's objective to blatantly ignore obvious incoherence. But okay.
    I was pretty sure HFD is just saying that a mentally unfit person vs. a person unfit for the job of President are two different things, and that clearly this person is unfit for the job of President, and that this book doesn’t really change that known reality from before these excerpts. If I interpreted that right, I agree.
    I haven't read the book, so that has absolutely no impact on how I view Trump. I believe, based on his public behaviour, that he is mentally unfit, which makes him unfit to be POTUS. I don't think mentally fit people behave the way he does. I don't think mentally fit people are as incoherent and bizarre as he is at any time, let alone while he is speaking as the POTUS.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited January 2018
    dignin said:
    I don't find anything scary about it at all. After reading the entire article, we get to the crux of it at the bottom:

    I am not a medical professional, and I will not pretend to know what is truly happening here. It’s become a common conversation topic in Washington to muse on whether the president is suffering from some form of cognitive decline or psychological malady. I don’t think those hypotheses are necessary or meaningful. Whatever the cause, it is plainly obvious from Trump’s words that this is not a man fit to be president, that he is not well or capable in some fundamental way. That is an uncomfortable thing to say, and so many prefer not to say it, but Trump does not occupy a job where such deficiencies can be safely ignored.

    the author is explicitly stating here that Trump is not necessarily in cognitive decline, but just plainly unfit for the job, which I absolutely agree with. I think he has a fundamental misunderstanding about his role and how it is defined (i.e: not a dictator). he spews rhetoric about how he has done this or done that and who said this and who said that, in my opinion, not necessarily because he doesn't understand the reality, but he knows his base doesn't care to do the actual research, that they just lap up what he says as fact. or maybe he is so narcissistic, it is possible he believes the nonsense he says. but that's not necessarily a mental illness. it represents not being fit to be president, but it doesn't make him mentally unstable. 

    again, I find this is the same old stuff I've been reading here silently the past month. So many people keep saying Trump is this, Mueller is doing that, Russia is this, without providing a shred of evidence of any of it. it's all hopes that the man and his admin come crashing down, but it's all based on nothing but conjecture and dreaming. 

    I hope he gets removed. I hope Pence does too. But I just think it's incredibly premature to be flying the crazy flag. or presenting ideas that "mueller is closing in" as some type of fact, when all it is, is someone reading an article about someone getting interviewed and all of a sudden they inflate that to mean Trump is being impeached next week. 
    I guess we have different thresholds for scary. He is so incompetent and has so much power I find that very scary.

    He could literally get us all killed.
    actually, he literally can't. there is no "button". if he tried to start nuclear war, there are checks and balances that would stop him. 
    Did I say button? And that wasn't exactly what I was referring too. His incompetency pushes s further into the abyss of possible nuclear attacks. The world is a much more dangerous place with his stupidity leading us.

    Also, you are wrong.

    No one can stop President Trump from using nuclear weapons. That's by design.

    The whole system is set up so the president — and only the president — can decide when to launch.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/no-one-can-stop-president-trump-from-using-nuclear-weapons-thats-by-design/?utm_term=.ef683c9ccc08

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,666
    in the previous 8yrs not once did i feel like there could be a nuclear war on any radar and i think it's safe to safe no one here did either ? we're 1 yr into this presidency and the subject comes up everyday in the news , how can anyone say this presidency is stable and the GOP stablishement seems to be ok with it ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    in the previous 8yrs not once did i feel like there could be a nuclear war on any radar and i think it's safe to safe no one here did either ? we're 1 yr into this presidency and the subject comes up everyday in the news , how can anyone say this presidency is stable and the GOP stablishement seems to be ok with it ...
    This is the GOP


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