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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    yes I typed those words. I have a hard time believing you don't know what taking something out of context is, but I'll explain it anyway since you pretend to have accurately quoted me. You intentionally omitted other words in the same sentence that drastically changed the meaning from what you quoted. That is taking something out of context.
    that is no different than me quoting you above and saying well you wrote "speeding through a school zone, fleeing from cops all should result in death" and then criticizing you for your beliefs. Did you type those words? Yes you did. Wouldn't it be accurate to claim that Ian what you believe? See the difference there? Just because I can quote you on something doesn't mean anything without the entire quote.
    i hope we can at least agree on what is taking something's out of context now.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    mace1229 said:
    yes I typed those words. I have a hard time believing you don't know what taking something out of context is, but I'll explain it anyway since you pretend to have accurately quoted me. You intentionally omitted other words in the same sentence that drastically changed the meaning from what you quoted. That is taking something out of context.
    that is no different than me quoting you above and saying well you wrote "speeding through a school zone, fleeing from cops all should result in death" and then criticizing you for your beliefs. Did you type those words? Yes you did. Wouldn't it be accurate to claim that Ian what you believe? See the difference there? Just because I can quote you on something doesn't mean anything without the entire quote.
    i hope we can at least agree on what is taking something's out of context now.
    Ever hear of paraphrasing?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited December 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    yes I typed those words. I have a hard time believing you don't know what taking something out of context is, but I'll explain it anyway since you pretend to have accurately quoted me. You intentionally omitted other words in the same sentence that drastically changed the meaning from what you quoted. That is taking something out of context.
    that is no different than me quoting you above and saying well you wrote "speeding through a school zone, fleeing from cops all should result in death" and then criticizing you for your beliefs. Did you type those words? Yes you did. Wouldn't it be accurate to claim that Ian what you believe? See the difference there? Just because I can quote you on something doesn't mean anything without the entire quote.
    i hope we can at least agree on what is taking something's out of context now.
    Ever hear of paraphrasing?
    I have, yes.
    Quoting my line of "a cop thought he heard gun shots" and "they thought involved someone shooting at police." to your quote of
    "You go from "thought they heard gun shots fired" to "shooting at police." " 

    That isn't paraphrasing. That is intentionally taking something out of context, omitting essentially parts of the sentence and accusing me of contradicting myself. You accused me of stating they shot at police, which they never did and I never said happened. That isn't paraphrasing. When you paraphrase, you still get the facts correct, you just summarize them.
    Well...I guess you don't, but that's what everyone does. 
    Your reluctance to admit you misquoted me and and intentionally twisted around what I said into something completely different even after being shown the original post several times and how you omitted key words to change the meaning of the sentence is almost impressive. I don;t know anyone else that stubborn, except maybe my dad.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    yes I typed those words. I have a hard time believing you don't know what taking something out of context is, but I'll explain it anyway since you pretend to have accurately quoted me. You intentionally omitted other words in the same sentence that drastically changed the meaning from what you quoted. That is taking something out of context.
    that is no different than me quoting you above and saying well you wrote "speeding through a school zone, fleeing from cops all should result in death" and then criticizing you for your beliefs. Did you type those words? Yes you did. Wouldn't it be accurate to claim that Ian what you believe? See the difference there? Just because I can quote you on something doesn't mean anything without the entire quote.
    i hope we can at least agree on what is taking something's out of context now.
    Ever hear of paraphrasing?
    I have, yes.
    Quoting my line of "a cop thought he heard gun shots" and "they thought involved someone shooting at police." to your quote of
    "You go from "thought they heard gun shots fired" to "shooting at police." " 

    That isn't paraphrasing. That is intentionally taking something out of context, omitting essentially parts of the sentence and accusing me of contradicting myself. You accused me of stating they shot at police, which they never did and I never said happened. That isn't paraphrasing. When you paraphrase, you still get the facts correct, you just summarize them.
    Well...I guess you don't, but that's what everyone does. 
    Your reluctance to admit you misquoted me and and intentionally twisted around what I said into something completely different even after being shown the original post several times and how you omitted key words to change the meaning of the sentence is almost impressive. I don;t know anyone else that stubborn, except maybe my dad.
    Re-read your full on sentences that I bolded and tell me how the context is different from my paraphrasing? You started with "heard" and finished with "shot at." which was it? Talk about twisting words and confusing the issue. Its like dealing with a two year old.
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  • OnWis97
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    yup
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    It's not often when you can't decide whether to put a link in the Police Abuse thread, the Idiot thread, or the AMT Marijuana thread.

    Allegedly these police officers got high on duty by eating edibles they confiscated from a dispensary. They apparently began to hallucinate, and one climbed a tree.  The only thing they did right was to call fellow officers for backup. Now off work, with pay, while investigation ensues. 

    Anyone interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/29/toronto-police-officers-call-for-backup-after-reportedly-getting-high-on-edibles_a_23347190/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
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  • mickeyrat
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    dirty shit.......

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    oftenreading said:
    It's not often when you can't decide whether to put a link in the Police Abuse thread, the Idiot thread, or the AMT Marijuana thread.

    Allegedly these police officers got high on duty by eating edibles they confiscated from a dispensary. They apparently began to hallucinate, and one climbed a tree.  The only thing they did right was to call fellow officers for backup. Now off work, with pay, while investigation ensues. 

    Anyone interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/29/toronto-police-officers-call-for-backup-after-reportedly-getting-high-on-edibles_a_23347190/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
    No, no benefit of the doubt. WIll probably be fired.
    But leave with pay is common practice in all fields. Typically they don't withhold pay until they are officially.formally fired, and that is after the investigation is complete. I see nothing wrong with that part of it.
  • unsung
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    I do.  Suspend them.  Don't give them a paid vacation,  if they are found not guilty then give them backpay.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    I do.  Suspend them.  Don't give them a paid vacation,  if they are found not guilty then give them backpay.

    In this case it seems like it's a slam dunk, but to suspend police without pay pending a long suspension would be a hardship: they don't make very much to begin with and there are bills to pay.

    The process is there for a reason. Don't be daft.
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  • mace1229
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    It isnt just a police issue, I just dont think that is right in any job.
    My wife is a stay at home mom, so I am the sole provider right now. That wouldn't help at all. If I was unpaid for for a couple months due to a false accusation at work I'd be behind in my mortgage and pretty much every other payment after the first month. My credit would take a big hit, I'd have penalties and fees for late payments. If the investigation went on more than 2 or 3 months I'd probably have services cut off. Backpay when I'm found innocent wouldn't help me much at that point.
    I don't think that is the right thing to do in any job.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mace1229 said:
    It isnt just a police issue, I just dont think that is right in any job.
    My wife is a stay at home mom, so I am the sole provider right now. That wouldn't help at all. If I was unpaid for for a couple months due to a false accusation at work I'd be behind in my mortgage and pretty much every other payment after the first month. My credit would take a big hit, I'd have penalties and fees for late payments. If the investigation went on more than 2 or 3 months I'd probably have services cut off. Backpay when I'm found innocent wouldn't help me much at that point.
    I don't think that is the right thing to do in any job.

    Correct.

    Unsung's post is more a snide reflection on how he feels about the profession. He knew this already- he just cares very little for the police and sees them all as worthless.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    I do.  Suspend them.  Don't give them a paid vacation,  if they are found not guilty then give them backpay.

    In this case it seems like it's a slam dunk, but to suspend police without pay pending a long suspension would be a hardship: they don't make very much to begin with and there are bills to pay.

    The process is there for a reason. Don't be daft.
    Since most if not all police are in a union I am sure the officers union  will make sure he gets what needs based on the duly negotiated union  contract.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Muh thin blue line!
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    "Testilying"

    Ample evidence that some police officers are concocting scenarios to allow them to proceed with charges, knowing they have tainted or outright manufactured evidence. Even worse, it seems they rarely get sanctioned for it; in fact, even when their conduct is discovered, some go on to get promoted. Meanwhile, the individuals that they targeted have to spend weeks, months or years fighting this in court, or simply give up and plead guilty to get it over with. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-police-perjury-new-york.html
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Not sure if this was posted.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a72543fe4b09a544b564f2a
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited March 2018
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I've been defending these guys as much as I can, but they are becoming indefensible (warning for disturbing content):



    Edit: I should add I don't know any details, but I'm not sure what details I'd need to know?
    A guy in a wheelchair can still have a gun.
    Not saying he did. Just saying details are important, and I think it is dangerous to make judgements without them.
    Clearly the cops felt threatened by this guy. Now was it justified? I have no idea, I haven't heard or read anything about this case. Until then it doesn't mean much to me.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    It just doesn't look good, Mace. They acted as if there was a shot clock or something. When they riddled him with bullets... he was just sitting there.

    I have no problem with them taking aim and being prepared to shoot him if he escalates his behaviour in a meaningful way. My problem with this video is that they seem to run out of patience and kill him. I would like to have seen some 'calming' methods try and diffuse the situation before resorting to the last tactic.
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