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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    Thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and everyone effected by this horrible and meaningless act.
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
    Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions. 
  • rgambs
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    riley540 said:
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
    Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions. 
    There is clear evidence pointing the finger at white males for mass shootings and black males for gang violence, so it's pretty comparable really.
    Some folks say ban all Muslims, some folks say ban all guns...
    Neither of them is right, but both of them have evidence to back their claims.

    The main difference is that banning Muslims causes unnecessary and genuine suffering to families and little children, banning guns causes butthurt to hobbyists.
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  • PP193448
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    edited November 2017
    (Please read in cyborg voice)

    Funny that the stories are now coming out that this guy is complaining about his gunshot wound, asking to hang ISIS flags in his hospital room, and very happy that people are dead while wishing he would have done more murdering.  Yeah, he will be a great candidate for rehabilitation. 
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  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,551
    edited November 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.   I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.  Your posts are garbage and I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
    I'm sure the white race will survive this slight, even the reddest necks amongst us. I would argue getting upset over such things is unhealthy.

    I personally enjoy Halifax's posts.
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,551
    dignin said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.  Your posts are garbage and I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
    I'm sure the white race will survive this slight, even the reddest necks amongst us. I would argue getting upset over such things is unhealthy.

    I personally enjoy Halifax's posts.
    I'm not upset at all.  I just like to point out that if this post was made about any other race or gender the backlash would be enormous.  The Garbage comment was wrong.  I should say the amount of posts is unhealthy.  Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
  • Jason P
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,119
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.   I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
    “The Jews.” Because we know they’re all the same, right? Funny how you focused on my post but not any of the other truly racist or bigoted posts that have been made in defense of Trump or white supremacy in general. I’m sorry my healthy obsession with a racist, bigoted, misogynistic president and his supporters bothers you. Guess I touched a nerve? Please let me know when it’s okay to talk about mass shootings after the next one. Thanks.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.   I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
    “The Jews.” Because we know they’re all the same, right? Funny how you focused on my post but not any of the other truly racist or bigoted posts that have been made in defense of Trump or white supremacy in general. I’m sorry my healthy obsession with a racist, bigoted, misogynistic president and his supporters bothers you. Guess I touched a nerve? Please let me know when it’s okay to talk about mass shootings after the next one. Thanks.
    I hate to do this and I promise I will never use this stupid argument phrase again, but isnt this a classic case of the overused on this board "whata-aboutism"?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. 
    I think you are correct. "Some" might even run to the mods.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PP193448 said:
    (Please read in cyborg voice)

    Funny that the stories are now coming out that this guy is complaining about his gunshot wound, asking to hang ISIS flags in his hospital room, and very happy that people are dead while wishing he would have done more murdering.  Yeah, he will be a great candidate for rehabilitation. 

    It's really unfortunate this poor little rodent isn't complaining about a gunshot wound that blew his balls off. Someone please... take that ISIS flag and wrap it around his throat- really really tight for about five minutes.

    He's a piece of shit mass murderer. Check that... terrorist. Gee... I almost allowed myself to be influenced.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,188
    edited November 2017
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    Support terrorism, hmm you mean like the US has for years? You do understand we created most of the terrorism and have domestic terrorism of our own to go with it.

    You'll never be able to create any policy or immigration law that stops terrorists from entering this country. Blanket and obscure statements about extreme vetting and tightening borders are bullshit. If you can't see that, then you are part of the flock.
    I don't think I am a part of the flock but I do believe that tightening our borders and extreme vetting is a good idea moving forward.
    Ok, what does that mean to you? Tightening borders = wall? Extreme vetting = bans? I'm sorry, but I see you and others talk about gun policy not changing the mass shootings and gun violence and your unwillingness to implement firearms possession standards, yet the above makes sense for the handful of terrorist attacks that happen every few years? I just can't even begin to understand that thinking. This is part of the reason we're a target by other countries and extremists. We're completely ignorant on how to solve our own problems, but then dictate to other countries on what to do.

    How do we make the process more extreme when it's already this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html
    I'm not sure how being pro 2nd amendment and anti-terrorism goes hand and hand.  But anyway,  I'm not for a wall but I do think that we need to stop immigration from certain countries.  To me I think of a bag of a 1000 skittles.  Turns out three of the skittles are laced with poison; do you dip your hand into the bag?
    Take you're Skittles analogy and apply it to gun owners. It's the same thing. Yet, I don't see you pushing for extremes on that topic. Why?
    I've come up with several ideas when dealing with the second amendment (mental/criminal background checks, registration, etc.); what exactly are you trying to say?
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,666
    elvistheking44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    riley540 said:
    The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists 
    Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
    Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot.  If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.  Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up.   I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
    Because when someone makes fun of us white folks it taps into how we’ve been at the receiving end of racism and discrimination for centuries? 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,855
    This thread went to pot...
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,666
    riley540 said:
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
    Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions. 
    The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries. 
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    Go Beavers said:
    riley540 said:
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
    Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions. 
    The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries. 
    It’s ok to say men or more violent than women because it is true. Someone in the comments before said African American men are more violent then white men, ( I haven’t checked into this, ) but if that is true, then it’s just true. Not racist. If more white men do mass shootings then that’s also a fact. It’s also a fact that Islam has been skewed and some evil people have taken over it, and are causing terrorism all over Europe and in some cases the United States. I don’t see any problem with using evidence the make claims. 

    That being said, I am very pro immigration and think the good people in the world outweigh the bad. I think gun solutions on the left are too extreme mad immigration solutions on the right are too extreme. But facts are facts. We won’t solve issues until we can al accept this. 
  • PP193448
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    This thread went to pot...

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    riley540 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    riley540 said:
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody. 

    Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
    Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions. 
    The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries. 
    It’s ok to say men or more violent than women because it is true. Someone in the comments before said African American men are more violent then white men, ( I haven’t checked into this, ) but if that is true, then it’s just true. Not racist. If more white men do mass shootings then that’s also a fact. It’s also a fact that Islam has been skewed and some evil people have taken over it, and are causing terrorism all over Europe and in some cases the United States. I don’t see any problem with using evidence the make claims. 

    That being said, I am very pro immigration and think the good people in the world outweigh the bad. I think gun solutions on the left are too extreme mad immigration solutions on the right are too extreme. But facts are facts. We won’t solve issues until we can al accept this. 
    It is categorically not true that African American men are more violent than white men. I'm amazed that this even needs to be pointed out, though I probably shouldn't be, given the comments we see on here and the rise again of the white supremacist movement. 
     
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