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mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how some of the loudest voices in defense of the 2nd Amendment forget about the rest of the constitution when their emotions take over. What was that about "feelings" again?

I believe some of us were using sarcasm when describing punishments but I don't believe anybody forgot about the constitution.

Your constitution allows for summary execution without trial?

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yup, absolutely no difference in how our esteemed dear leader referred to and reacted to the two incidents, Vegas versus NYC. Read Trump's words as he refers to and answers questions regarding the incidents at the time or shortly thereafter occurring. Equal justice under the law? By Trump's reasoning, all white people should be held to account for the Vegas shooter. Maybe take their guns away?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/trump-vegas-nyc/index.html

I think the last sentence in the article sums up any politician:

The broader point here: Trump is more than willing to seize on tragic events when they confirm his previous political and policy beliefs. He will effectively ignore them when they don't.

Sorry, but no.

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

I think you guys are completely wrong about that but to each their own.  I don't understand why you guys make this comparison.  Who on here says it is too early to talk about things because a person is white?? I think the outrage is the same. 

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

I think you guys are completely wrong about that but to each their own.  I don't understand why you guys make this comparison.  Who on here says it is too early to talk about things because a person is white?? I think the outrage is the same. 

Go back and read the Vegas thread.
There was all kinds of "too soon" talk.

None in this thread.
If you think there isn't some xenophobia/racism involved in that difference, Christie's got a bridge to sell ya, but the traffic's pretty bad!

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

I think you guys are completely wrong about that but to each their own.  I don't understand why you guys make this comparison.  Who on here says it is too early to talk about things because a person is white?? I think the outrage is the same. 

Go back and read the Vegas thread.
There was all kinds of "too soon" talk.

None in this thread.
If you think there isn't some xenophobia/racism involved in that difference, Christie's got a bridge to sell ya, but the traffic's pretty bad!

Agreed (but also I was actually speaking generally, not only about this board).

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

I think you guys are completely wrong about that but to each their own.  I don't understand why you guys make this comparison.  Who on here says it is too early to talk about things because a person is white?? I think the outrage is the same. 

Go back and read the Vegas thread.
There was all kinds of "too soon" talk.

None in this thread.
If you think there isn't some xenophobia/racism involved in that difference, Christie's got a bridge to sell ya, but the traffic's pretty bad!

So what about this specific case do you still doubt?
christie lol....two more months. 

mcgruff10

Just saw this on twitter:

Bentleyspop

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

Just saw this on twitter:

Try saying that name fast 3 times.

mcgruff10

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just saw this on twitter:

Try saying that name fast 3 times.

Lol. Impossible. 

josevolution

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

Radical muslims hang them , white driver runs over peaceful protester well he must be deranged terrible up bringin , white guy kills 58 americans you don't hear a single thing about him now when did that happen again ?

Come on, man.

You think people here soften their stances on punishment if the offender is white? Get serious.

The Vegas guy was dead- no need to wish him alive... and people more than adequately expressed how vile he was. And people were talking about punching nazis before that idiot ran over those people in Virginia... and they were seething after the incident.

Thanks for pointing out what a dumb thing to post I agree I should of read it before hitting post comment ....

mcgruff10

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

Speaking of politicizing this issue...

You and RG are using this example to highlight causes that aren't even relevant to random people being murdered by some raving, brainwashed, f**king lunatic- with an all too familiar tactic. 

You think race is a factor in how we respond to events such as these? If this idiot was white we'd be more okay with it?

Let's be clear about something: in the event the Vegas shooter had been a devout Christian with an extensive background in Christian activism... and Christians throughout the world were repeatedly murdering unsuspecting people in horrifying fashion... you could bet your bottom dollar these boards would be lighting up Christianity with very minimal tolerance.

And for the record, the Vegas thread was boiling over with political tension from the outset.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

I think you guys are completely wrong about that but to each their own.  I don't understand why you guys make this comparison.  Who on here says it is too early to talk about things because a person is white?? I think the outrage is the same. 

Go back and read the Vegas thread.
There was all kinds of "too soon" talk.

None in this thread.
If you think there isn't some xenophobia/racism involved in that difference, Christie's got a bridge to sell ya, but the traffic's pretty bad!

So what about this specific case do you still doubt?
christie lol....two more months. 

It's not a question of doubt, it's just a question of reaction.
The hypocrisy of the right's reaction is clear.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

josevolution said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

josevolution said:

Radical muslims hang them , white driver runs over peaceful protester well he must be deranged terrible up bringin , white guy kills 58 americans you don't hear a single thing about him now when did that happen again ?

Come on, man.

You think people here soften their stances on punishment if the offender is white? Get serious.

The Vegas guy was dead- no need to wish him alive... and people more than adequately expressed how vile he was. And people were talking about punching nazis before that idiot ran over those people in Virginia... and they were seething after the incident.

Thanks for pointing out what a dumb thing to post I agree I should of read it before hitting post comment ....

All is good, man. In my mind you're one of the good guys.

I'm guilty of speaking passionately before thinking as hard as I might too.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Not really equivalent, Democrats aren't saying "too soon".

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

Speaking of politicizing this issue...

You and RG are using this example to highlight causes that aren't even relevant to random people being murdered by some raving, brainwashed, f**king lunatic- with an all too familiar tactic. 

You think race is a factor in how we respond to events such as these? If this idiot was white we'd be more okay with it?

Let's be clear about something: in the event the Vegas shooter had been a devout Christian with an extensive background in Christian activism... and Christians throughout the world were repeatedly murdering unsuspecting people in horrifying fashion... you could bet your bottom dollar these boards would be lighting up Christianity with very minimal tolerance.

And for the record, the Vegas thread was boiling over with political tension from the outset.

I wasn't actually criticizing politicizing it. I was criticizing not politicizing it, lol. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest such events shouldn't be politicized immediately. the point is that everyone seems a lot more willing to politicize it when it's a Muslim, and much less willing to do so when it's a white guy (again, I'm speaking generally, not just about people on this board).

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

mcgruff10

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.