Terrorism Attack Lower Manhattan 8 Dead still developing

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Not really equivalent, Democrats aren't saying "too soon".

But they aren't suggesting anything to stop this problem.  

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

Knee jerk reactions based on no evidence will not "fix" any problems. What evidence is there that the visa lottery system was to blame for this? What would be the effects of eliminating it? How many other people admitted under this system have done well and contributed? 

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

gimmesometruth27

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Not really equivalent, Democrats aren't saying "too soon".

But they aren't suggesting anything to stop this problem.  

Because, like pro-gun people after Vegas or whatever, they don't see a solution that is effective enough to outweigh the downsides.
I don't have a problem with that.  It's not productive but it's not a hindrance either.

I do have a problem with saying to those politicising, "too soon, respect the victims" in one case, and rushing to politicise in the other.

mcgruff10

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

gimmesometruth27

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

Remind me again what Obama’s nickname was as it related to tightening our border and enforcing immigration laws? If you don’t know, JC can help you out. Maybe we should ban and provide extreme vetting of white males entering our country? Please explain how Trump’s immigration policy(ies) will stop further attacks such as what happened in NYC.

mcgruff10

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

I don't like trump at all but let's be fair: it was one tweet amongst many.  
He did say things (i'm only going on twitter) like:

We mourn the horrifying terrorist attack in NYC. All of America is praying and grieving for the families who lost their precious loved ones.

My thoughts, condolences and prayers to the victims and families of the New York City terrorist attack. God and your country are with you!

We must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!

Thank you to the GREAT NYPD, First Responders and all govt officials for having handled the terrible West Side attack so professionally!

and I'm guessing a lot of you don't agree, but he has had suggestions to stop more terrorist attacks like:
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter).

CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.

You're totally right. People would be so mad that it's being politicized already while the families grieve. We've seen it again and again. It is beyond clear that the attacker being white makes all the difference in the world. I really don't think that can logically be up for debate.

Speaking of politicizing this issue...

You and RG are using this example to highlight causes that aren't even relevant to random people being murdered by some raving, brainwashed, f**king lunatic- with an all too familiar tactic. 

You think race is a factor in how we respond to events such as these? If this idiot was white we'd be more okay with it?

Let's be clear about something: in the event the Vegas shooter had been a devout Christian with an extensive background in Christian activism... and Christians throughout the world were repeatedly murdering unsuspecting people in horrifying fashion... you could bet your bottom dollar these boards would be lighting up Christianity with very minimal tolerance.

And for the record, the Vegas thread was boiling over with political tension from the outset.

I wasn't actually criticizing politicizing it. I was criticizing not politicizing it, lol. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest such events shouldn't be politicized immediately. the point is that everyone seems a lot more willing to politicize it when it's a Muslim, and much less willing to do so when it's a white guy (again, I'm speaking generally, not just about people on this board).

I too feel that setting moratoriums on when to speak out on issues is ridiculous. Those only serve the defensive. "Can we not talk about this right now?" Ridiculous.

I don't agree with you regarding the racial issue though. I feel that every individual who commits an atrocious act gets their fair share of scorn. Muslims aren't the only group of people that face criticism following brutality demonstrated by some of their members. The cop thread clearly demonstrates the hypocrisy of many on here who typically rush to the defence of Islam in the wake of these ridiculous attacks... and rush to condemn an entire profession when a black man is killed by a cop regardless of circumstances.

The 'right' is not the only sector guilty of double standards.

And I am speaking as someone who likes to think of themselves as neutral, but leans left more often than not.

One other thing... Trump is orange. Not quite as orange as he's been in the past. But he's orange.  

gimmesometruth27

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

I don't like trump at all but let's be fair: it was one tweet amongst many.  
He did say things (i'm only going on twitter) like:

We mourn the horrifying terrorist attack in NYC. All of America is praying and grieving for the families who lost their precious loved ones.

My thoughts, condolences and prayers to the victims and families of the New York City terrorist attack. God and your country are with you!

We must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!

Thank you to the GREAT NYPD, First Responders and all govt officials for having handled the terrible West Side attack so professionally!

and I'm guessing a lot of you don't agree, but he has had suggestions to stop more terrorist attacks like:
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter).

CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

you know this is all bullshit, right? he says things on twitter, then either doe not follow up in speaking with the press, or does not follow up via his press team. he is saying some of these things because he is being told to say something supportive. these are probably written for him.

the second part, about his suggestions, he can't do on his own. these are all laws, and he can't change them. he is speaking to his base. most americans will not support his "extreme vetting" because it opposes what the country was founded on and what most americans believe. he can stomp his feet all he wants, but he has 33% approval rating. the country is over him and the majority will not support him no matter what he wants to do. he has zero political capital left less than one year into his term. he is under investigation and may end up indicted. none of what he proposes is going to happen because democrats will tie it to republicans in the campaign.

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Not really equivalent, Democrats aren't saying "too soon".

But they aren't suggesting anything to stop this problem.  

I’m not really looking for answers from politicians on how to stop domestic terrorism, although I do know they’re able to encourage it by doing things such as villainizing minority groups and putting a bunch of white supremacists in the White House. How someone becomes radicalized is a good question, so I want my politicians to put the best minds in the field into that work. We won’t win any fight against terrorists with tough talk and chest thumping. 

gimmesometruth27

it is hard to stop terrorists when they hate us for our freedom.

isn't that why 9/11 happened??

mcgruff10

gimmesometruth27 said:

it is hard to stop terrorists when they hate us for our freedom.

isn't that why 9/11 happened??

well that and our support for Israel.  

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

I don't like trump at all but let's be fair: it was one tweet amongst many.  
He did say things (i'm only going on twitter) like:

We mourn the horrifying terrorist attack in NYC. All of America is praying and grieving for the families who lost their precious loved ones.

My thoughts, condolences and prayers to the victims and families of the New York City terrorist attack. God and your country are with you!

We must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!

Thank you to the GREAT NYPD, First Responders and all govt officials for having handled the terrible West Side attack so professionally!

and I'm guessing a lot of you don't agree, but he has had suggestions to stop more terrorist attacks like:
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter).

CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

you know this is all bullshit, right? he says things on twitter, then either doe not follow up in speaking with the press, or does not follow up via his press team. he is saying some of these things because he is being told to say something supportive. these are probably written for him.

the second part, about his suggestions, he can't do on his own. these are all laws, and he can't change them. he is speaking to his base. most americans will not support his "extreme vetting" because it opposes what the country was founded on and what most americans believe. he can stomp his feet all he wants, but he has 33% approval rating. the country is over him and the majority will not support him no matter what he wants to do. he has zero political capital left less than one year into his term. he is under investigation and may end up indicted. none of what he proposes is going to happen because democrats will tie it to republicans in the campaign.

Untenable.

gimmesometruth27

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

it is hard to stop terrorists when they hate us for our freedom.

isn't that why 9/11 happened??

well that and our support for Israel.  

i was being a smartass.

mcgruff10

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

I don't like trump at all but let's be fair: it was one tweet amongst many.  
He did say things (i'm only going on twitter) like:

We mourn the horrifying terrorist attack in NYC. All of America is praying and grieving for the families who lost their precious loved ones.

My thoughts, condolences and prayers to the victims and families of the New York City terrorist attack. God and your country are with you!

We must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!

Thank you to the GREAT NYPD, First Responders and all govt officials for having handled the terrible West Side attack so professionally!

and I'm guessing a lot of you don't agree, but he has had suggestions to stop more terrorist attacks like:
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter).

CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

you know this is all bullshit, right? he says things on twitter, then either doe not follow up in speaking with the press, or does not follow up via his press team. he is saying some of these things because he is being told to say something supportive. these are probably written for him.

the second part, about his suggestions, he can't do on his own. these are all laws, and he can't change them. he is speaking to his base. most americans will not support his "extreme vetting" because it opposes what the country was founded on and what most americans believe. he can stomp his feet all he wants, but he has 33% approval rating. the country is over him and the majority will not support him no matter what he wants to do. he has zero political capital left less than one year into his term. he is under investigation and may end up indicted. none of what he proposes is going to happen because democrats will tie it to republicans in the campaign.

On twitter he has nearly 42 million followers so what does it matter if he follows it up with the press or says it....it is communicated to the masses.  and again I don't like the guy but he did pay respect to the victims and their families.  

And I disagree because I think most americans would support extreme vetting.  Yes this country was founded on immigration but not from countries that support terrorism.  

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2 days after the Las Vegas Mass Shooting by a white Christian male in which 59 people were killed by automatic weapons bought legally in the U.S. herr dRumpf said it was to early to discuss policy or politics about the mass shooting and or gun control.

15 hours after the terrorist  attack in NYC by a young muslim male from Uzbekistan in which 8 people were killed herr dRumpf was politicizing the event by trying to blame Senator Schumer and th visa lottery that allowed the perpetrator to legally immigrate to America.

I don't think it s a white guy vs Muslim issue: one fits his agenda and the other doesn't. 

However on the flip side democrats quickly used vegas as a means to attempt to pass gun control but I haven't seen any democrats talk about limiting immigration/tightening our borders since yesterday. 
It works both ways. 

Both issues fit into trump’s agenda: white male Americans good, brown people bad and/or less than. 

so what have democrats suggested or done to try and fix the problem?  we can bash trump all we want but democrats are equal to blame.  

What are democrats equal to blame? Please be specific.

democrats haven't had (as far as I know) any ideas on how to tighten/secure our borders since yesterday's terrorist attack.  Again, they suggested all sorts of gun control measures after vegas because it fits their agenda but are silent when it comes to closing/tightening our borders after yesterday.

i can play the same game republicans play after a mass shooting.

"it is too early to talk policy. let's not politicize this incident."

there. see how stupid that sounds?

agreed.  it's politics 101.  both parties are the problem and not the solution.  until someone reaches out and sits down and finds some middle ground terrorists will continue to be allowed in this country and gun violence will continue to be a problem (along with many many other problems in this great country).

there isn't any middle anymore. its over.

rather than trump trying to offer condolences to the families and try to heal the country, what does he do? he blames SCHUMER for this and wants to keep muslims out. that is why nothing will ever get done.

I don't like trump at all but let's be fair: it was one tweet amongst many.  
He did say things (i'm only going on twitter) like:

We mourn the horrifying terrorist attack in NYC. All of America is praying and grieving for the families who lost their precious loved ones.

My thoughts, condolences and prayers to the victims and families of the New York City terrorist attack. God and your country are with you!

We must not allow ISIS to return, or enter, our country after defeating them in the Middle East and elsewhere. Enough!

Thank you to the GREAT NYPD, First Responders and all govt officials for having handled the terrible West Side attack so professionally!

and I'm guessing a lot of you don't agree, but he has had suggestions to stop more terrorist attacks like:
I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

We are fighting hard for Merit Based immigration, no more Democrat Lottery Systems. We must get MUCH tougher (and smarter).

CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!

you know this is all bullshit, right? he says things on twitter, then either doe not follow up in speaking with the press, or does not follow up via his press team. he is saying some of these things because he is being told to say something supportive. these are probably written for him.

the second part, about his suggestions, he can't do on his own. these are all laws, and he can't change them. he is speaking to his base. most americans will not support his "extreme vetting" because it opposes what the country was founded on and what most americans believe. he can stomp his feet all he wants, but he has 33% approval rating. the country is over him and the majority will not support him no matter what he wants to do. he has zero political capital left less than one year into his term. he is under investigation and may end up indicted. none of what he proposes is going to happen because democrats will tie it to republicans in the campaign.

On twitter he has nearly 42 million followers so what does it matter if he follows it up with the press or says it....it is communicated to the masses.  and again I don't like the guy but he did pay respect to the victims and their families.  

And I disagree because I think most americans would support extreme vetting.  Yes this country was founded on immigration but not from countries that support terrorism.  

I was just reading that Uzbekistan has been very anti-Muslim. It kind of has had the response to encourage extremists in reaction to the hard line against the religion. trump should take notes. 

tbergs

Support terrorism, hmm you mean like the US has for years? You do understand we created most of the terrorism and have domestic terrorism of our own to go with it.

You'll never be able to create any policy or immigration law that stops terrorists from entering this country. Blanket and obscure statements about extreme vetting and tightening borders are bullshit. If you can't see that, then you are part of the flock.