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  • PP193448
    PP193448 Here Posts: 4,282
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tbergs said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Did I wake up in Mexico? The Philippines? Chile under Pinochet? Russia under Stalin or Putin? Afghanistan under the Taliban? Where was this rhetoric for the Vegas shooter? Or the Charlottesville driver?
    He was already dead or it would be similar. At least from me.
    Charlottesville driver was dead? 
    Sorry, meant the Vegas guy. I would say the same for anyone arrogantly bragging about what they did and trying to draw more attention. I'm against death penalty, but if they live, then their should be no joy left for them or attention. Prison for life, no parole, hole in the ground cell.
    Brace yourself for the 'cruel and unusual' crowd hating your suggestion.

    Make no mistake... the goof that ran these people over in New York needs death. You are correct- no internet, no cult fame, no laughs, no hot meals, etc.
    Who here opposes life in prison without parole in maximum security?
    'Hole in the ground cell' was the term I thought might upset a few concerned people.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
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  • mcgruff10
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    KC138045 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
    life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty is fine with me.  who tries this case: new york or the federal government?
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Funny how some of the loudest voices in defense of the 2nd Amendment forget about the rest of the constitution when their emotions take over. What was that about "feelings" again?
    I believe some of us were using sarcasm when describing punishments but I don't believe anybody forgot about the constitution.
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  • KC138045
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    mcgruff10 said:
    KC138045 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
    life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty is fine with me.  who tries this case: new york or the federal government?
    My guess is this would be a federal crime being a terrorist attack with ties to ISIS
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  • tbergs
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    KC138045 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
    TB was comparing what usually happens in these cases. Don't worry, he's all in on the DP.

    As for your question, no, nothing will change that, not even execution. Is the point to change it? I don't think so. I don't really care if rotting in a super max doesn't change his view. I don't think that's the goal. It's still a better punishment than execution though.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    1993 World Trade Center Bombing convicts:

    Rounding out the circle of plotters is the infamous Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is not only Yousef's uncle, but also later claimed to be the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks which ultimately brought the Twin Towers down. Mohammed gave Yousef advice, tips, and cash in the run up to the 1993 bombing.

    Five of the seven main bombers are serving life sentences in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colo.

    Yousef is currently suing for more human contact after 15 years in prison. According to the Los Angeles Times, he wrote to the warden: "I request an immediate end to my solitary confinement and ask to be in a unit in an open prison environment where inmates are allowed outside their cells for no less than 14 hours a day."

    Nidal Ayyad, an alleged Rutgers University graduate, is apparently serving his life sentence in a federal penitentiary in Terre Haute, Ind.


    Khaled Sheikh Mohammed is currently on trial in Guantanamo Bay for his role in the 9/11 attacks. Mohammed is kept under such heavy security that his lawyers can't even reveal routine conversations with their client. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

    Blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman sits and prays inside an iron cage at the opening of court session in Cairo Aug 6 1989
    Blind sheik Omar Abdel Rahman sits and prays inside an iron cage at the opening of court session in Cairo Aug. 6, 1989.
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    The true "celebrity" of the attacks, for lack of a better term, is the so-called "Blind Sheik," Omar Abdel Rahman. His name and his teachings are repeatedly invoked by jihadists and conservative Muslims the world over as inspiration.

    In September 2003, he was transferred from the federal Supermax prison in Colorado to a medical prison in Springfield, Mo., after officials said Rahman might lose his limbs to diabetes.

    Militants who attacked the Ain Amenas gas field in the Sahara in January of this year had offered to release two of the three Americans eventually killed in the attack in exchange for the freedom of Rahman and Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani scientist convicted of shooting at two U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. The Obama administration rejected the offer outright.

    Administration of justice, as it should be. The blind sheik died in a US prison in February.

    CIA Headquarters attacker: Captured in Pakistan and returned to the US to face trial, convicted and executed.

    Execution[edit]

    Qazi was executed by lethal injection on November 14, 2002 at Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt, Virginia,[16] and his body was repatriated to Pakistan.

    GITMO should be closed.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yup, absolutely no difference in how our esteemed dear leader referred to and reacted to the two incidents, Vegas versus NYC. Read Trump's words as he refers to and answers questions regarding the incidents at the time or shortly thereafter occurring. Equal justice under the law? By Trump's reasoning, all white people should be held to account for the Vegas shooter. Maybe take their guns away?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/trump-vegas-nyc/index.html


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  • JimmyV
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    mcgruff10 said:
    KC138045 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
    life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty is fine with me.  who tries this case: new york or the federal government?
    The Boston Marathon case was tried in Federal Court. I imagine this will be too.
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  • Go Beavers
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tbergs said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Did I wake up in Mexico? The Philippines? Chile under Pinochet? Russia under Stalin or Putin? Afghanistan under the Taliban? Where was this rhetoric for the Vegas shooter? Or the Charlottesville driver?
    He was already dead or it would be similar. At least from me.
    Charlottesville driver was dead? 
    Sorry, meant the Vegas guy. I would say the same for anyone arrogantly bragging about what they did and trying to draw more attention. I'm against death penalty, but if they live, then their should be no joy left for them or attention. Prison for life, no parole, hole in the ground cell.
    Brace yourself for the 'cruel and unusual' crowd hating your suggestion.

    Make no mistake... the goof that ran these people over in New York needs death. You are correct- no internet, no cult fame, no laughs, no hot meals, etc.
    Reference to cruel and unusual punishment is made in the Constitution. I don’t think we should apply it only part of the time, and override it based on emotion. 
    Life in prison with no possibility of parole is now considered cruel or unusual punishment?
    That was more of a reaponse to thirty referencing the ‘cruel and unusual’ crowd. Although I’m not sure what a hole in the ground cell is about. I would say I’m more of a supporter of the Constitution crowd member. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    JimmyV said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    KC138045 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    If we were a bit more like cyborgs and less human... we could remove our emotion from the equation and look at things for what they are.

    8 people are dead. Why execute this man and have 9 people dead? Instead... let's teach him empathy and help him see the error in his way.
    This man is proud of what he did.  You really think life in a cell will change that?  He has lost his right to live and should be sentenced to death IMO
    life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty is fine with me.  who tries this case: new york or the federal government?
    The Boston Marathon case was tried in Federal Court. I imagine this will be too.
    yeah I definitely think you guys are right.  
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Yup, absolutely no difference in how our esteemed dear leader referred to and reacted to the two incidents, Vegas versus NYC. Read Trump's words as he refers to and answers questions regarding the incidents at the time or shortly thereafter occurring. Equal justice under the law? By Trump's reasoning, all white people should be held to account for the Vegas shooter. Maybe take their guns away?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/trump-vegas-nyc/index.html


    I think the last sentence in the article sums up any politician:

    The broader point here: Trump is more than willing to seize on tragic events when they confirm his previous political and policy beliefs. He will effectively ignore them when they don't.
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  • Go Beavers
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    PP193448 said:
    Charlottesville driver should have not been taken alive.  Vegas shooter killed himself and saved us the trouble.  But let’s talk about the poor criminals rights while there are 8 people dead, whose rights were taken away by this guy... WTF.  So please tell me that if one of the victims was your family member, that you would be worried about his comfort in jail and cruel punishment.  Give me a break!!
    I don’t think deciding whether to apply basic Constitutional rights should be based on a survey of people’s emotions. 
  • PJ_Soul
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tbergs said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Did I wake up in Mexico? The Philippines? Chile under Pinochet? Russia under Stalin or Putin? Afghanistan under the Taliban? Where was this rhetoric for the Vegas shooter? Or the Charlottesville driver?
    He was already dead or it would be similar. At least from me.
    Charlottesville driver was dead? 
    Sorry, meant the Vegas guy. I would say the same for anyone arrogantly bragging about what they did and trying to draw more attention. I'm against death penalty, but if they live, then their should be no joy left for them or attention. Prison for life, no parole, hole in the ground cell.
    Brace yourself for the 'cruel and unusual' crowd hating your suggestion.

    Make no mistake... the goof that ran these people over in New York needs death. You are correct- no internet, no cult fame, no laughs, no hot meals, etc.
    Who here opposes life in prison without parole in maximum security?
    'Hole in the ground cell' was the term I thought might upset a few concerned people.
    Oh. I didn't think you meant it literally.
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  • rgambs
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    Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
    I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.
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  • tbergs
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    Go Beavers said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tbergs said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Did I wake up in Mexico? The Philippines? Chile under Pinochet? Russia under Stalin or Putin? Afghanistan under the Taliban? Where was this rhetoric for the Vegas shooter? Or the Charlottesville driver?
    He was already dead or it would be similar. At least from me.
    Charlottesville driver was dead? 
    Sorry, meant the Vegas guy. I would say the same for anyone arrogantly bragging about what they did and trying to draw more attention. I'm against death penalty, but if they live, then their should be no joy left for them or attention. Prison for life, no parole, hole in the ground cell.
    Brace yourself for the 'cruel and unusual' crowd hating your suggestion.

    Make no mistake... the goof that ran these people over in New York needs death. You are correct- no internet, no cult fame, no laughs, no hot meals, etc.
    Reference to cruel and unusual punishment is made in the Constitution. I don’t think we should apply it only part of the time, and override it based on emotion. 
    Life in prison with no possibility of parole is now considered cruel or unusual punishment?
    That was more of a reaponse to thirty referencing the ‘cruel and unusual’ crowd. Although I’m not sure what a hole in the ground cell is about. I would say I’m more of a supporter of the Constitution crowd member. 
    Solitary confinement aka "the hole".
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
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    rgambs said:
    Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
    I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.
    No because obviously we're the laughing stock of the world with how we handle these situations, at least according to Donnie Darko.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    tbergs said:
    rgambs said:
    Isn't it too soon to talk about this?
    I mean, if this was a white guy with a gun, it would surely be too soon.
    No because obviously we're the laughing stock of the world with how we handle these situations, at least according to Donnie Darko.
    Well after what he said today, he ain't wrong. His response is laughable.
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