Donald Trump

hurricanezeke said:

rgambs said:

hurricanezeke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error. 

I am a Republican voter.  Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread.  I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs.  I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me.  
I would never join this debate on this forum.  Your opinion is already developed... 

This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.

Wrong.  But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.  

Let's hear them.  I'm a roast, baste me.

JC29856 said:

Smellyman said:

rgambs said:

hurricanezeke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error. 

I am a Republican voter.  Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread.  I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs.  I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me.  
I would never join this debate on this forum.  Your opinion is already developed... 

This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.

Tough to defend the indefensible.  It is an easy cop out.

'I could debate, but your opinion is made up'

Yeah, that's how it works.  /s

When ideology is so strong and so stubborn you can't admit right from wrong, black from white,up from down.  I guess that is how you dodge debate....and responsibility.

yeah come here to debate where some can't differentiate between a statement and a question?

Possibly if you don't end a statement with a question mark, it will go better for you.

Bentleyspop said:

HesCalledDyer said:

hurricanezeke said:

rgambs said:

hurricanezeke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error. 

I am a Republican voter.  Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread.  I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs.  I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me.  
I would never join this debate on this forum.  Your opinion is already developed... 

This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.

Wrong.  But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.  

Let's hear them.  I'm a roast, baste me.

I'd  like to hear them as well.
I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. 
Not as a troll

I should have been more clear when putting myself out here.  I stated I am a republican voter.  I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move.  Those are the people I think you're looking for.  I'm not that person.  So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place.  I can't, I won't.  What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of.  I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries.  I did not think he was a serious candidate.  

I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda.  Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others.  Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.  

hurricanezeke said:

Bentleyspop said:

HesCalledDyer said:

hurricanezeke said:

rgambs said:

hurricanezeke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error. 

I am a Republican voter.  Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread.  I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs.  I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me.  
I would never join this debate on this forum.  Your opinion is already developed... 

This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.

Wrong.  But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.  

Let's hear them.  I'm a roast, baste me.

I'd  like to hear them as well.
I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. 
Not as a troll

I should have been more clear when putting myself out here.  I stated I am a republican voter.  I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move.  Those are the people I think you're looking for.  I'm not that person.  So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place.  I can't, I won't.  What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of.  I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries.  I did not think he was a serious candidate.  

I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda.  Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others.  Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.  

Thanks for this reply. 

So, you're saying that, given what you know now, you still wouldn't have voted democrat in the last election. Would you have voted for trump, or someone else, or not voted?

hurricanezeke said:

Bentleyspop said:

HesCalledDyer said:

hurricanezeke said:

rgambs said:

hurricanezeke said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error. 

I am a Republican voter.  Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread.  I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs.  I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me.  
I would never join this debate on this forum.  Your opinion is already developed... 

This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.

Wrong.  But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.  

Let's hear them.  I'm a roast, baste me.

I'd  like to hear them as well.
I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. 
Not as a troll

I should have been more clear when putting myself out here.  I stated I am a republican voter.  I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move.  Those are the people I think you're looking for.  I'm not that person.  So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place.  I can't, I won't.  What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of.  I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries.  I did not think he was a serious candidate.  

I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda.  Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others.  Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.  

the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better. 

the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better. 

I should have been more clear when putting myself out here.  I stated I am a republican voter.  I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move.  Those are 

Thanks for your well thought out response.
This is an example of what we need more of on here.
Yes this is the fan forum of a very left leaning, liberal, democrat supporting band. But differing opinions, when they are thoughtfully and intelligently presented, are always welcome.
As far I know, and other than my own increasing 401K, nothing has been accomplished by the currently elected president (and I wont give him credit for that either) beyond creating more divisiveness among Americans.

Yeah, let's say accomplishments "since the election in November" without giving credit.  

Trump isn't a Republican.  I think we should all be able to dispel that notion.  His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory.  Trump is a Trumpist.  It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle.  I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn.  No matter what he says, they support it.  It's really astounding.  And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33.  There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position.  We are witnessing it first hand.