America's Gun Violence

Thirty Bills Unpaid · September 2017

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I agree it's totally stupid to say that guns bought for protection should be locked up. If they're locked up with the ammo kept separate then they aren't really for home defense anymore, so what's the point? Gun advocates know that. They just spew that shit as a defense mechanism.

I believe this came up again recently in response to a kid getting a hold of a gun and accidentally shooting it. I 100% believe guns should be locked up with kids in the house. Most gun owners I personally know who have guns for protections have a small hand gun safe under the bed or near by, which would prevent access from a kid but allow access for self defense.
Personally I dont both, I lock all mine up in the safe. But I'm not worried about people breaking in my house in the middle of the night either. I have no problem admitting my gun collection is for sport

Yes, and I think that those whose interest in guns is related to sport/collecting are usually the most responsible gun owners. The thing is, those folks are usually the ones advocating for guns, based on their specialized perspective. I feel like they may often have a somewhat skewed view simply because they are the ones mired in the whole issue of gun safety, while those who are dangerous with guns or doing it irresponsibly are the problem in terms of death and crime stats (though not so much in terms of American gun culture, which is the biggest problem of all).

If you are concerned with the "culture", the best place to start pointing fingers might be Hollywood and toy manufacturers...Many movies show plenty examples of normalized irresponsible gun usage. Hell, even Joe Biden said you should just go outside and fire a gun in the air...which is highly illegal and unsafe. I'll stick with law enforcement professionals for my advise on firearm usage and storage and whether or not the general public should be armed.

And since you added, I'll add a point too... Canada and many other countries are are just as exposed to Hollywood and toy companies as America is, and they don't have this gun culture. So I really don't think this has as much of an impact on the formation of the problem as you think it does. I'm not saying it doesn't play a role, but I'd say that the way Americans in particular respond to or absorb this information because of the gun culture is the issue, not the content on its own.

I was just about to say something similar.

We watch the same movies. Play the same video games. Listen to the same music. Blah blah blah.

Ted, Just admit it... there's a gun problem in the US. Obsession, irresponsibility, inadequate regulation, corporate marketing, and a rash of other variables has the US in a real situation that many refuse to admit to (just like those junkies on 'Intervention' that deny problems exist).

rustneversleeps · September 2017

all the answers are here in the pearl jam forums

RiotZact · September 2017

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

I'm really not sure if I should respond to this with anything but a middle finger, but I will. Here I was thinking we were having a civil conversation on a topic that doesn't usually stay very civil, but then you randomly insult my integrity and put words in my mouth.

First of of all I never said I felt unsafe, the point of my post was to inform that not everyone secures their guns in the manner that you suggest. I do not feel particularly unsafe, my sisters are old enough now that they would never mess with it, and he never keeps one in the chamber and always has the safety on. But he doesn't do all of the things you suggested, so I felt the story was relevant. Also, it was unsafe years ago when my sisters were young, but I was in high school and didn't really have a say in the matter, not to mention that I wasn't very well informed on the issue at the time.

In addition to that, I happen to love my Mother, my stepdad and my sisters, and if I were to give the household a big "fuck you!" And leave just becuase of some bone-headed decisions that my stepdad makes, that's going to, at least temporarily, ruin my relationship with my family, and I wouldn't think that would be fair to anyone. It's an insanely small chance that something bad would happen, which sounds like I'm going against my original point, but I'm not becuase "insanely small chance" happens pretty often when you're talking about a country with 350 million people in it.

PJ_Soul · September 2017

Responding with a middle finger would have been entirely appropriate and justified, lol.

Go Beavers · September 2017

rustneversleeps said:

all the answers are here in the pearl jam forums

You just realized this?

mcgruff10 · September 2017

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

That's kind of a shitty response. It seems that Riotzact made clear his/her efforts around changing the situation. How would you suggest forcing someone to change their behaviour around gun use and storage?

People live in unsafe situations all the time if they don't have much choice.

IF i feel like I am living in an unsafe area/living condition I would bust my ass by working three jobs and then move.

mcgruff10 · September 2017

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

I'm really not sure if I should respond to this with anything but a middle finger, but I will. Here I was thinking we were having a civil conversation on a topic that doesn't usually stay very civil, but then you randomly insult my integrity and put words in my mouth.

First of of all I never said I felt unsafe, the point of my post was to inform that not everyone secures their guns in the manner that you suggest. I do not feel particularly unsafe, my sisters are old enough now that they would never mess with it, and he never keeps one in the chamber and always has the safety on. But he doesn't do all of the things you suggested, so I felt the story was relevant. Also, it was unsafe years ago when my sisters were young, but I was in high school and didn't really have a say in the matter, not to mention that I wasn't very well informed on the issue at the time.

In addition to that, I happen to love my Mother, my stepdad and my sisters, and if I were to give the household a big "fuck you!" And leave just becuase of some bone-headed decisions that my stepdad makes, that's going to, at least temporarily, ruin my relationship with my family, and I wouldn't think that would be fair to anyone. It's an insanely small chance that something bad would happen, which sounds like I'm going against my original point, but I'm not becuase "insanely small chance" happens pretty often when you're talking about a country with 350 million people in it.

Have you talked about this with your mom? Any way you could live in campus?

RiotZact · September 2017

mcgruff10 said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

I'm really not sure if I should respond to this with anything but a middle finger, but I will. Here I was thinking we were having a civil conversation on a topic that doesn't usually stay very civil, but then you randomly insult my integrity and put words in my mouth.

First of of all I never said I felt unsafe, the point of my post was to inform that not everyone secures their guns in the manner that you suggest. I do not feel particularly unsafe, my sisters are old enough now that they would never mess with it, and he never keeps one in the chamber and always has the safety on. But he doesn't do all of the things you suggested, so I felt the story was relevant. Also, it was unsafe years ago when my sisters were young, but I was in high school and didn't really have a say in the matter, not to mention that I wasn't very well informed on the issue at the time.

In addition to that, I happen to love my Mother, my stepdad and my sisters, and if I were to give the household a big "fuck you!" And leave just becuase of some bone-headed decisions that my stepdad makes, that's going to, at least temporarily, ruin my relationship with my family, and I wouldn't think that would be fair to anyone. It's an insanely small chance that something bad would happen, which sounds like I'm going against my original point, but I'm not becuase "insanely small chance" happens pretty often when you're talking about a country with 350 million people in it.

Have you talked about this with your mom? Any way you could live in campus?

I've talked about it with all of them. Listen it's not that big of a deal. I reiterate, I don't feel unsafe. The point of my post was that not everyone has had the same experiences as you and pjpower. That's it, I never even said definitively that I thought my stepdad was doing anything wrong, becuase it has nothing to do with the point of the conversation that's being had.

Halifax2TheMax · September 2017

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

PJPOWER · September 2017

RiotZact said:

mcgruff10 said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

I'm really not sure if I should respond to this with anything but a middle finger, but I will. Here I was thinking we were having a civil conversation on a topic that doesn't usually stay very civil, but then you randomly insult my integrity and put words in my mouth.

First of of all I never said I felt unsafe, the point of my post was to inform that not everyone secures their guns in the manner that you suggest. I do not feel particularly unsafe, my sisters are old enough now that they would never mess with it, and he never keeps one in the chamber and always has the safety on. But he doesn't do all of the things you suggested, so I felt the story was relevant. Also, it was unsafe years ago when my sisters were young, but I was in high school and didn't really have a say in the matter, not to mention that I wasn't very well informed on the issue at the time.

In addition to that, I happen to love my Mother, my stepdad and my sisters, and if I were to give the household a big "fuck you!" And leave just becuase of some bone-headed decisions that my stepdad makes, that's going to, at least temporarily, ruin my relationship with my family, and I wouldn't think that would be fair to anyone. It's an insanely small chance that something bad would happen, which sounds like I'm going against my original point, but I'm not becuase "insanely small chance" happens pretty often when you're talking about a country with 350 million people in it.

Have you talked about this with your mom? Any way you could live in campus?

I've talked about it with all of them. Listen it's not that big of a deal. I reiterate, I don't feel unsafe. The point of my post was that not everyone has had the same experiences as you and pjpower. That's it, I never even said definitively that I thought my stepdad was doing anything wrong, becuase it has nothing to do with the point of the conversation that's being had.

Sorry for overreacting, it just seems as though many around here feel that any firearm in a home automatically makes it unsafe, but clearly you do not feel that way. It's hard to differentiate between people like you and the "errrm, guns are bad mmmmmkayyy" crowd.

mcgruff10 · September 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

mcgruff10 · September 2017

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

mcgruff10 said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

PJPOWER said:

RiotZact said:

In their defense I do live in Pennsyltucky, or northern West Virginia as I like to call it. So their experience is likely one extreme and mine is the other, so the average and the reality is somewhere in the middle.

Very likely. Seriously, though, I would hound the shit out of your stepdad to secure that firearm. Just freaking irresponsible of him.

I have, he is very defensive and I like having a free place to live until I finish college, so I try not to piss him off too bad.

Oh I see, in other words you are dependent on him so you enable/accept his behavior. You must not feel very unsafe, because if you were concerned for your or someone else's life, I'm hoping that safety would outweigh convenience.

I'm really not sure if I should respond to this with anything but a middle finger, but I will. Here I was thinking we were having a civil conversation on a topic that doesn't usually stay very civil, but then you randomly insult my integrity and put words in my mouth.

First of of all I never said I felt unsafe, the point of my post was to inform that not everyone secures their guns in the manner that you suggest. I do not feel particularly unsafe, my sisters are old enough now that they would never mess with it, and he never keeps one in the chamber and always has the safety on. But he doesn't do all of the things you suggested, so I felt the story was relevant. Also, it was unsafe years ago when my sisters were young, but I was in high school and didn't really have a say in the matter, not to mention that I wasn't very well informed on the issue at the time.

In addition to that, I happen to love my Mother, my stepdad and my sisters, and if I were to give the household a big "fuck you!" And leave just becuase of some bone-headed decisions that my stepdad makes, that's going to, at least temporarily, ruin my relationship with my family, and I wouldn't think that would be fair to anyone. It's an insanely small chance that something bad would happen, which sounds like I'm going against my original point, but I'm not becuase "insanely small chance" happens pretty often when you're talking about a country with 350 million people in it.

Have you talked about this with your mom? Any way you could live in campus?

I've talked about it with all of them. Listen it's not that big of a deal. I reiterate, I don't feel unsafe. The point of my post was that not everyone has had the same experiences as you and pjpower. That's it, I never even said definitively that I thought my stepdad was doing anything wrong, becuase it has nothing to do with the point of the conversation that's being had.

Sorry for overreacting, it just seems as though many around here feel that any firearm in a home automatically makes it unsafe, but clearly you do not feel that way. It's hard to differentiate between people like you and the "errrm, guns are bad mmmmmkayyy" crowd.

Read the bs article above you. I look forward toward toward your comments.

Halifax2TheMax · September 2017

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

Sure, it's tongue and cheek but that doesn't negate the NRA's support of a bill that allows for silencers and armor piercing bullets. I'd love to see the reaction if BLM marched with those accrutuments to their persons, legally of course.

Go Beavers · September 2017

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

You have to read the whole article to get the author's point.

mcgruff10 · September 2017

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

You have to read the whole article to get the author's point.

It s full of false information and pure bull shit. People like yourselves who have zero to little knowledge in firearms will believe it, post it as fact, or support it.
Halifax I m guessing without google you have no clue how loud a gun would be before or after a silencer is applied.

CM189191 · September 2017

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

You have to read the whole article to get the author's point.

It s full of false information and pure bull shit. People like yourselves who have zero to little knowledge in firearms will believe it, post it as fact, or support it.
Halifax I m guessing without google you have no clue how loud a gun would be before or after a silencer is applied.

You can get suppressors super easy in England. Or gun laws should be more like theirs....

mcgruff10 · September 2017

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

You have to read the whole article to get the author's point.

It s full of false information and pure bull shit. People like yourselves who have zero to little knowledge in firearms will believe it, post it as fact, or support it.
Halifax I m guessing without google you have no clue how loud a gun would be before or after a silencer is applied.

You can get suppressors super easy in England. Or gun laws should be more like theirs....

So move to England, you d like their very restrictive gun laws. I think all of the firearms I own would be illegal there.

Halifax2TheMax · September 2017

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, this benign monster.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nras-idea-of-recreation-assault-rifles-armor-piercing-bullets-and-silencers/2017/09/11/6d22c616-9740-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?utm_term=.392b8c0bf08d

I can tell the author is full of shit by getting no further than the second sentence:
They will load their automatic weapons with armor-piercing bullets, strap on silencers, head off to the picnic grounds on nearby public lakes — and start shooting.

Get a legit article please. A very very very very small amount of people own automatic weapons.

You have to read the whole article to get the author's point.

It s full of false information and pure bull shit. People like yourselves who have zero to little knowledge in firearms will believe it, post it as fact, or support it.
Halifax I m guessing without google you have no clue how loud a gun would be before or after a silencer is applied.

Again, you failed to see the truth through the tongue and cheek humor of the "opinion" piece and how the NRA is fucking ridiculous. Please enlighten me on why you need silencers and armor piercing bullets, please. And for the record, I don't google to troll like some on here but to offer a differing opinion based on articles I've read a few days or decades ago. Somebody's been "triggered."

Halifax2TheMax · September 2017

Further, maybe that nut job who showed up at the congressional baseball game could have taken the law enforcement officers out as well as been more efficient in killing had he had both things "legally" in his possession when he arrived and started shooting. And, I've been a little too fucking close to victims of gun violence, including some who didn't fucking make it so I could give a fucking rats ass how loud guns are and whether you lose your fucking hearing.

Halifax2TheMax · September 2017

Maybe you'll appreciate the seriousness and facts in this article? I doubt it though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/14/what-do-most-mass-shooters-have-in-common-hint-it-isnt-politics-video-games-or-religion/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-card-posteverything:homepage/card&utm_term=.2455d06fdbd9

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