The Concept of God

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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I can't answer for Him.  Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the right time.  If a tree decides to tip over and land on my head and kill me I would say that I was in the wrong place at the right time.
    I also think that He intervines more often than people realize, sometimes in very subtle ways sometimes in very obvious ways such as the horse ordeal that I was explaining.
    I know a guy that went across a set of RXR tracks in a pickup truck, not realizing that there was a train coming.  The train took the box of his truck clean off.  The portion of the truck that he was in (the cab) spun around twice he said, stopped in the ditch on the other side.  And he walked away with out a scratch.  I don't know what separates miracles from tragedies though.

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Personally, i would suspect physics more than miracles gets the credit for the guy in the truck surviving.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,537
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:
    Personally, i would suspect physics more than miracles gets the credit for the guy in the truck surviving.
    Correct.

    Miracles when things work out... but no miracles more often than not.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I don't know man. I cannot nail it down exactly.  The guy above was asking if God communicates with animals or animals communicate with God.  And then it kind of trickled into this who wins and who loses thing. I don't know why some things happen and some things don't.  My main thing was to show that I think He communicates with His animals.  The guys other question had to do with these people who think that they are rewarded with a bunch of virgins for blowing people up.  All I would say to that is I certainly would hate to be in their shoes, when they get to the other side standing before a very angry God.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited September 2017
    HFD, I'd be interested to get your take on this Waylon toon. I think it's a very modest concept God or a higher power that Waylon sang about.

    https://youtu.be/758n46rIR1M

    This is a better quality video than the one that posted earlier.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,705

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
    This particular concept is definitely rather confounding for me. I can't say I understand how the faithful pull this idea off in their heads. How God makes everything good happen, but then all the bad shit is somehow out of his hands. Makes no sense. I realize the believers literally have no logical answer to this contradiction... I just don't really get how it doesn't bother them or make them question wtf they believe.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    And then here is a Johnny Cash song about the Book of Revelation it's pretty good give it a whirl.
    When the Man Comes Around

    https://youtu.be/k9IfHDi-2EA
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
    This particular concept is definitely rather confounding for me. I can't say I understand how the faithful pull this idea off in their heads. How God makes everything good happen, but then all the bad shit is somehow out of his hands. Makes no sense. I realize the believers literally have no logical answer to this contradiction... I just don't really get how it doesn't bother them or make them question wtf they believe.
    That's religion and faith for you, logic and reason not needed, so anything can be made up as you go along.
  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,803
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
    This particular concept is definitely rather confounding for me. I can't say I understand how the faithful pull this idea off in their heads. How God makes everything good happen, but then all the bad shit is somehow out of his hands. Makes no sense. I realize the believers literally have no logical answer to this contradiction... I just don't really get how it doesn't bother them or make them question wtf they believe.
    The only answer you ever get for this is a dismissive "well, God works in mysterious ways". As if that is an acceptable reason for taking credit for all of the good things, and passing the blame for all of the bad in the world. 

    If God is responsible for placing a soul inside a womb for example, then He must also take responsibility for all of the birth defects and deaths that happen.

    My boss takes credit for other people's good work, but blames anyone she can when things go wrong. She doesn't work in mysterious ways, she's just an asshole.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited September 2017
    goldrush said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
    This particular concept is definitely rather confounding for me. I can't say I understand how the faithful pull this idea off in their heads. How God makes everything good happen, but then all the bad shit is somehow out of his hands. Makes no sense. I realize the believers literally have no logical answer to this contradiction... I just don't really get how it doesn't bother them or make them question wtf they believe.
    The only answer you ever get for this is a dismissive "well, God works in mysterious ways". As if that is an acceptable reason for taking credit for all of the good things, and passing the blame for all of the bad in the world. 

    If God is responsible for placing a soul inside a womb for example, then He must also take responsibility for all of the birth defects and deaths that happen.

    My boss takes credit for other people's good work, but blames anyone she can when things go wrong. She doesn't work in mysterious ways, she's just an asshole.
    goldrush said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so just to clarify, (I'm not being sarcastic, just trying to understand your logic) bad things are a case of wrong place at the right time, but good things/close calls are the work of god? or can some close calls just right place ALMOST wrong time?
    This particular concept is definitely rather confounding for me. I can't say I understand how the faithful pull this idea off in their heads. How God makes everything good happen, but then all the bad shit is somehow out of his hands. Makes no sense. I realize the believers literally have no logical answer to this contradiction... I just don't really get how it doesn't bother them or make them question wtf they believe.
    The only answer you ever get for this is a dismissive "well, God works in mysterious ways". As if that is an acceptable reason for taking credit for all of the good things, and passing the blame for all of the bad in the world. 

    If God is responsible for placing a soul inside a womb for example, then He must also take responsibility for all of the birth defects and deaths that happen.

    My boss takes credit for other people's good work, but blames anyone she can when things go wrong. She doesn't work in mysterious ways, she's just an asshole.
    U2 is now going to sing about your boss!! Insert the word (works) instead of (moves) and you have it..!!..
    https://youtu.be/hnU7MKGz0tc
    Hey it's Saturday!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    Or her.  :wink:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    I think we "humans" have a hard time understanding God, how he work and deals with things. I simply think we can't grasp and understand and it's not meant for us to do so either. 
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Annafalk said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    I think we "humans" have a hard time understanding God, how he work and deals with things. I simply think we can't grasp and understand and it's not meant for us to do so either. 
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited September 2017
    With all of the communication technologies we have, a phone in your pocket that alerts you about something every 5 seconds, text messages, WhatsApp, Skype, Email, breaking news, video messages,  things go viral very very quickly nowadays, or you can go to a sports bar that has a bunch of TVs all going with all the different ballgames on, and another separate TV with the weather channel on it, and another one with 24 Hour News on it in case of breaking news or something. 
    And one can sit there with a beer in your hand and almost effortlessly simultaneously know who's winning or losing in all the ballgames, see what the weather is doing, know what other family members are doing, know what their friends are doing, know what your kids want, know when someone expects you home, and if there's any breaking news, you glance over that TV and get it on your phone at the same time.
    God does not need the technology that we do to see and communicate what's going on.  But the ingredients for all the technology we have, has always been here.  It just took man a few thousand years to discover It all.
    But, there is nothing new under the sun.
    And I would say to someone who is just a little curious,
    Yes, He Has Time For You!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,537
    Annafalk said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    I think we "humans" have a hard time understanding God, how he work and deals with things. I simply think we can't grasp and understand and it's not meant for us to do so either. 
    if a god exists, I would agree with this. there's no way something that powerful could be understood by us puny humans. 
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited September 2017
    Our Father is telling you here how intimately he knows you. His children.
    Actually this is Jesus talking to the 12 disciples in Matthew chapter 10 vs 29-32
    29 Are not Two Sparrows sold for a farthing?  And one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
    30 But the very hairs on your head are all numbered.(He knows you that well)
    31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
    32. Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven

    This must be kinda of what it was like when God parted the Red Sea.
    https://youtu.be/7BwfdPsy_DE

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Classic Carlin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8hefESt7c

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Annafalk said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    When a two, five, ten, one hundred, or a million people are all praying to God at one time... how does he hear everyone's prayers?

    That's got to drive him nuts, eh? 
    I think we "humans" have a hard time understanding God, how he work and deals with things. I simply think we can't grasp and understand and it's not meant for us to do so either. 
    if a god exists, I would agree with this. there's no way something that powerful could be understood by us puny humans. 
    I disagree entirely, what is there to my understand?
    We can understand omnipotence, what could possibly be greater than omnipotence.

    The question isn't can we understand it, it's will we believe it's credible.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?

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