The Concept of God
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There's also an inherent arrogance to praying for someone.
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rgambs said:There's also an inherent arrogance to praying for someone.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
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For me, Heaven is the first day after a heat wave breaks, lol. And the heat wave is, of course, hell.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know.
If anything I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.Post edited by RYME on0 -
RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy?
Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy?
Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.Post edited by RYME on0 -
RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy?
Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
I don't really have a theory. I just think lights out is by far the most likely scenario, given all the scientific facts. I have acknowledged that one can't rule out that there could be something else that is governed by some natural process that hasn't been discovered.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy?
Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
I don't really have a theory. I just think lights out is by far the most likely scenario, given all the scientific facts. I have acknowledged that one can't rule out that there could be something else that is governed by some natural process that hasn't been discovered.0 -
I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:For me, Heaven is the first day after a heat wave breaks, lol. And the heat wave is, of course, hell.
And apparently, we have California to thank for it. Your heat wave is going to be our heat wave. Jerks.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:For me, Heaven is the first day after a heat wave breaks, lol. And the heat wave is, of course, hell.
And apparently, we have California to thank for it. Your heat wave is going to be our heat wave. Jerks.
♪, ♫ "We're living in a ... HELL HOLE." ♪, ♫
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
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Smellyman said:Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
I do appreciate your appreciation of the wonders of the world/universe/nature and that they are a site to behold. And how incredibly lucky we are. And that you value human and animal life, and our appreciation for good music. In that we have a lot in common.
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PJ_Soul said:I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
I guess my aim is for people who are not satisfied with what they believe. If you are comfortable with what you believe, then good for you, I respect that and stay put. However, if you are not satisfied with what you believe, or don't exactly know what to believe, than you might, I say might, want to give what I've suggested a try.0 -
RYME said:Smellyman said:Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
I do appreciate your appreciation of the wonders of the world/universe/nature and that they are a site to behold. And how incredibly lucky we are. And that you value human and animal life, and our appreciation for good music. In that we have a lot in common.
Which is probably more plausible.
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Round and round we go.0
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