Police abuse

dignin · August 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Are you having a slow Sunday Often? That post seems oddly out of place for you. Usually you are more subdued and offer your opinions.

Stick to the topic.

See posting guidelines.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · August 2017

dignin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Are you having a slow Sunday Often? That post seems oddly out of place for you. Usually you are more subdued and offer your opinions.

Stick to the topic.

See posting guidelines.

Thanks.

Sorry Often.

tbergs · August 2017

HesCalledDyer · August 2017

I took the police to court for issuing me a wrongful citation.

WV city cop pulls me over: "I pulled you over because you're driving an uninspected vehicle."
Me: The vehicle is inspected, sir.
Cop: Where are your inspection stickers?
Me: I'm a Maryland resident. Maryland doesn't issue inspection stickers.
Cop: Why do you have West Virginia tags?
Me: They're temporary tags. I bought the car in West Virginia.
Cop: If you have WV tags, you need a WV inspection.
Me: They're temporary tags, sir. Dealerships do not issue out of state temporary tags.
Cop: Well, you need to have the car inspected.
Me: It is inspected. It's inspected for Maryland because I'm a Maryland resident. The car will be registered in Maryland.
Cop: But you have WV tags.
Me: I know, I bought the car in WV. It even states on the temporary registration that the car will not be registered in WV, it will be registered in MD.
Cop: Why do you have WV tags if you live in MD?
Me: They're temporary tags, I purchased the car at a WV dealership. They don't issue out of state temporaries.
Cop: Well, the bottom line is you need to have your car inspected to have WV tags.
Me: I'm not trying to be rude, but what are you not understanding? I'm a MD resident, the car was purchased in WV, it is inspected for my state of residence, out-of-state temps are not issued. It says all of this on the temporary registration.
Cop: Sir, you have WV tags on your car and no inspection stickers. I'm going to have to issue you a citation for failure to inspect.
Me: It is inspec... just give me the ticket, I'll see you in court.

Now, the sad thing is, after all that, I went to the circuit court and the judge gave me the same fucking runaround. I contacted the WV State Police and my dad's friend who is a lawyer. Went to court again a week later. Citation was erased from my record.

Granted I know this isn't brutality or anything super serious... but it was harrassment and a waste of my time and money (the city was about 45 miles away and I had to drive there 2 consecutive weekends to deal with that bullshit).

About a week later I received a letter of apology from the City Police Dept which pulled me over. It was fucking glorious.

tbergs · August 2017

HesCalledDyer said:

I took the police to court for issuing me a wrongful citation.

WV city cop pulls me over: "I pulled you over because you're driving an uninspected vehicle."
Me: The vehicle is inspected, sir.
Cop: Where are your inspection stickers?
Me: I'm a Maryland resident. Maryland doesn't issue inspection stickers.
Cop: Why do you have West Virginia tags?
Me: They're temporary tags. I bought the car in West Virginia.
Cop: If you have WV tags, you need a WV inspection.
Me: They're temporary tags, sir. Dealerships do not issue out of state temporary tags.
Cop: Well, you need to have the car inspected.
Me: It is inspected. It's inspected for Maryland because I'm a Maryland resident. The car will be registered in Maryland.
Cop: But you have WV tags.
Me: I know, I bought the car in WV. It even states on the temporary registration that the car will not be registered in WV, it will be registered in MD.
Cop: Why do you have WV tags if you live in MD?
Me: They're temporary tags, I purchased the car at a WV dealership. They don't issue out of state temporaries.
Cop: Well, the bottom line is you need to have your car inspected to have WV tags.
Me: I'm not trying to be rude, but what are you not understanding? I'm a MD resident, the car was purchased in WV, it is inspected for my state of residence, out-of-state temps are not issued. It says all of this on the temporary registration.
Cop: Sir, you have WV tags on your car and no inspection stickers. I'm going to have to issue you a citation for failure to inspect.
Me: It is inspec... just give me the ticket, I'll see you in court.

Now, the sad thing is, after all that, I went to the circuit court and the judge gave me the same fucking runaround. I contacted the WV State Police and my dad's friend who is a lawyer. Went to court again a week later. Citation was erased from my record.

Granted I know this isn't brutality or anything super serious... but it was harrassment and a waste of my time and money (the city was about 45 miles away and I had to drive there 2 consecutive weekends to deal with that bullshit).

About a week later I received a letter of apology from the City Police Dept which pulled me over. It was fucking glorious.

Congratulations on your well deserved justice. There's nothing more I hate then arrogant and ignorant traffic police. They are the fucking worst. They either cite you for something completely asinine or inaccurate and it's way more expensive to fight it then just roll over and pay it. I wish they would enact a statue that required the city to repay you all lost wages and cost of travel if it is found that the ticket wasn't legit. Instead that a-hole got a bunch of OT to appear in court for his bogus ticket. They should have to forfeit the OT pay to the defendant.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · August 2017

^^^
They are the worst? Do you have an incident that pertains to you that one would consider police abuse?

HesCalledDyer · August 2017

tbergs said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Congratulations on your well deserved justice. There's nothing more I hate then arrogant and ignorant traffic police. They are the fucking worst. They either cite you for something completely asinine or inaccurate and it's way more expensive to fight it then just roll over and pay it. I wish they would enact a statue that required the city to repay you all lost wages and cost of travel if it is found that the ticket wasn't legit. Instead that a-hole got a bunch of OT to appear in court for his bogus ticket. They should have to forfeit the OT pay to the defendant.

Here's the kicker. I was 18 at the time. Cop must've thought he was going to pull one over on some unsuspecting kid, but didn't realize this kid knew more of the law than he cared to admit.

rgambs · August 2017

Stay safe out there in OK, Officer Betty Shelby is back in the field.

mace1229 · August 2017

I agree that there should be some compensation for someone who fights a ticket and wins. As mentioned, many just pay for it because it isn't worth the 2 days taking off work to fight it.
But that's all the court system, it is designed to deter people from fighting tickets.You need to show up to court just to declare you plan to fight it, which takes at least half a day if not longer.
Then 2 or 3 weeks later take another day off to come back and actually fight it. I see no reason in the modern world this has to be done in person for a traffic ticket, other than to deter people from fighting it, many who would win but would rather pay the fee than take 2 days off of work.
Happened to me about a year ago, but the increase to my insurance was worth the fight over it, and I won. But then I still feel like I lost after wasting 2 vacation days over it.

Go Beavers · August 2017

mace1229 said:

I agree that there should be some compensation for someone who fights a ticket and wins. As mentioned, many just pay for it because it isn't worth the 2 days taking off work to fight it.
But that's all the court system, it is designed to deter people from fighting tickets.You need to show up to court just to declare you plan to fight it, which takes at least half a day if not longer.
Then 2 or 3 weeks later take another day off to come back and actually fight it. I see no reason in the modern world this has to be done in person for a traffic ticket, other than to deter people from fighting it, many who would win but would rather pay the fee than take 2 days off of work.
Happened to me about a year ago, but the increase to my insurance was worth the fight over it, and I won. But then I still feel like I lost after wasting 2 vacation days over it.

It must depend on where you live. My experience has been that you show up at the time indicated, wait a little bit for your turn, then make your case to the judge. Done.

g under p · September 2017

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-nurse-arrested-refusing-give-patient-s-blood-police-n798021

https://youtu.be/QYFx5UH4Tn4

Even an health care worker an RN can be arrested for abiding by the law while at work in Utah.....unreal.

Peace

rgambs · September 2017

This is a nice little example of what happens when you question a cop's authority.
In this case, it was a white female nurse protecting the rights of a non-criminal victim.
She was %100 in the right, backed by many professionals and still, when his authority was questioned beyond what his ego could handle, he snapped and attacked the nurse.
It's nice and clear cut, it makes me think of all the people who are abused in this way that are just as much within their right to question, but don't have the privilege which is protecting this nurse.

g under p · September 2017

rgambs said:

This is a nice little example of what happens when you question a cop's authority.
In this case, it was a white female nurse protecting the rights of a non-criminal victim.
She was %100 in the right, backed by many professionals and still, when his authority was questioned beyond what his ego could handle, he snapped and attacked the nurse.
It's nice and clear cut, it makes me think of all the people who are abused in this way that are just as much within their right to question, but don't have the privilege which is protecting this nurse.

That nurse has a right to also protect the rights of citizens/patients especially when the patient was unable to give his or her consent to give blood. Officer lost his cool when he was unable to get what he wanted.....he should've completely made sure he was correct to make sure that arrest was justified however he apparently allowed his anger to get the best of him.

Peace

OnWis97 · September 2017

And imagine if it wasn't recorded. "There's got to be more to the story."

oftenreading · September 2017

g under p said:

rgambs said:

This is a nice little example of what happens when you question a cop's authority.
In this case, it was a white female nurse protecting the rights of a non-criminal victim.
She was %100 in the right, backed by many professionals and still, when his authority was questioned beyond what his ego could handle, he snapped and attacked the nurse.
It's nice and clear cut, it makes me think of all the people who are abused in this way that are just as much within their right to question, but don't have the privilege which is protecting this nurse.

That nurse has a right to also protect the rights of citizens/patients especially when the patient was unable to give his or her consent to give blood. Officer lost his cool when he was unable to get what he wanted.....he should've completely made sure he was correct to make sure that arrest was justified however he apparently allowed his anger to get the best of him.

Peace

She doesn't just have a right, she has a legal and ethical duty not to turn medical information over to the police except in very circumscribed situations.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · September 2017

Asshole cop.

For sure.

rgambs · September 2017

She should have just complied, if you don't comply with police demands this is what you should expect.
I tell my son that all the time, if this was him, I'd be more upset with him than I would with the officer.

g under p · September 2017

rgambs said:

She should have just complied, if you don't comply with police demands this is what you should expect.
I tell my son that all the time, if this was him, I'd be more upset with him than I would with the officer.

Wait a minute so are saying that even though the officer was incorrect in wanting blood drawn without a warrant or the patient being charged or their consent you want her to comply. That patient could be me or your family member, you want that nurse draw blood even the officer was wrong. Sorry but they're times when one has to stand up for the law even if it means risking arrest. I've had to do the same when an officer tried to tell me radar detectors were illegal in the state of NC Outer Banks and a speeding ticket without her radar gun. She had back off from both tickets when I stood up for myself and let me go without any citation. She was straight up wrong or didn't know the law.

I'm on my phone but I'll try to find the video that shows the entire incident.

Peace

Thirty Bills Unpaid · September 2017

rgambs said:

She should have just complied, if you don't comply with police demands this is what you should expect.
I tell my son that all the time, if this was him, I'd be more upset with him than I would with the officer.

This is a lot different than the non compliant cases where some loser has broken the law, tried to elude authorities and resisted arrest- resulting in levels of force you disapprove of.

I recognize your sarcasm and understand the connection you are feebily trying to make.

OnWis97 · September 2017

So apparently that Utah incident happened a month ago. Nobody was saying much until the video hit the Web. It looks like no discipline would not have been an issue had that not happened.

The police have probably always felt empowered to do as they wish. But now with most Americans supporting their killing of unarmed blacks and believing them every time they say "my life is in danger" they really don't worry too much about consequences for their actions. This footage was very damning and very complete. We're not usually going to have access to this telling of a video. We'll usually just assume "they had it coming."

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