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That's when I kind of moved away from believing in God. When I saw other religions that had their "book" and preached from it, prayed, etc. similar to what I experienced only in different ways. I thought all those kids in that country are being taught this other, and they are believing it just like I might being taught to believe this. Is t it ironic we all believe ours is the right way, because each "book" says so..
i went to church, not by choice, until junior high school. I see my nieces now in their late 20's, they were not babtised, their children are not, and probably have only attended a regular service a handful of times on the request of an elder. They do not necessarily believe in God, I know one that's does not for sure, and even tho their Grammys believe, they don't. I think early exposure has a lot to do with it. I didn't waiver away earlier in my life probably out of fear.
I have faith in life, mine, all my loved ones around me, their hopes and mine for myself and them, have got this far in life and I will make it the rest that of whatever's way I am to go. If I am at breaking point I think of someone I know who has it worse and came out okay and I just try to get up with a smile.
i think if someone has make it through a life treatening event and they live, or they walked when docs said they wouldn't, that outcome is a result of all their life energy. I certainly cannot explain everything. There is such sadness in the world for people it should not be sad, is that their energy? I don't know..having a God to turn to when a devasting event happens is little colsolation.
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PJ_Soul said:Atheists are Atheists because they don't believe in God, not because they hate religion. Some Atheists do "hate" religion or feel a disdain for it, or contempt, as HFD put it, but that is because of all the evidenced moral and sociological and economic and political reasons that might make a person feel that way, not because they don't believe in God.Oh please let it rain today.
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I don't believe in God.
disclosure: I was baptized Christian, went to Sunday school, went to confirmation classes, was confirmed, in Saskatchewan, Canada.
We'll be baptizing our daughter only to show respect to her grandparents, whom are devout Christians / Roman Catholics.
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As a concept an Atheist is just a person who does not believe in the belief of a god.0
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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:and of course anyone with resources can find god. but why does no one from an undiscovered tribe somewhere in africa have no relationship with god? why wouldn't he show them the path?
I can agree with that.
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If you have 20 minutes give it a watch. If you have another 20 minutes watch Hitchens' speech at the same event.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJ6AV31MxA
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PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:and of course anyone with resources can find god. but why does no one from an undiscovered tribe somewhere in africa have no relationship with god? why wouldn't he show them the path?
Easy words, difficult task to accomplish, but the right thing is often the difficult thing to do.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Atheists do get mad sometimes.
I get mad that my sister in law is indoctrinating my niece and nephew into a club which rejects science and rational thought. I get even madder that this club is proven to be a haven for, and protector of, child rapists.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
rgambs said:Atheists do get mad sometimes.
I get mad that my sister in law is indoctrinating my niece and nephew into a club which rejects science and rational thought. I get even madder that this club is proven to be a haven for, and protector of, child rapists.Post edited by Annafalk on0 -
FoxyRedLa said:PJ_Soul said:FoxyRedLa said:Just all the hate about organized religion.HughFreakingDillon said:FoxyRedLa said:Just all the hate about organized religion.
you can be religious without belonging to a church and giving money to a corrupt organization that claims to do good in the community but just uses that money to bring more and more people in so they can get more and more money and so they can build bigger and bigger buildings to gather in, when, from what I recall, that is in direct conflict with something in the bible, I can't recall if it was god or jesus or whoever said it.
that being said, there are religious views that I obviously think are evil. I've mentioned him a thousand times here, so my apologies, but my brother, his wife, and their son all believe that homosexuals are evil and are going to hell, and he thinks HE is the victim when he's called a bigot and that his religion is under attack. so, you can see where my objectivity on this matter can get slightly skewed.
my wife and two beautiful daughters are catholic. I respect their views. we talk about it openly in our house, why "daddy doesn't believe in god". and it's healthy that way. I am respectful to their views as they are to mine, and I try to explain my views as best I can so an 8 and 11 year old can understand and be open and respectful of the views of others.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
RYME said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:FoxyRedLa said:Hugh is there anything else you can think of that you have Faith in that no one else can explain? Anything not even religious. Just throwing it out there.
He wants to take the burdens and anxieties out of your life. Day to day issues, and struggles continue, they certainly do for everyone, but they become easier to deal with. He knows that believing would be difficult for many. That's why there are people around, who try to spread the good news whenever possible knowing full well that it might not be real popular.
No I don't run around on the streets yelling God and Jesus with bumper stickers all over my car. I'm not one of those.
But I'm bringing this down in case HFD missed it because we started talking about missionaries.
ok, so he wanted to create me. so that means he didn't want to create my two nieces that died, one in utero, and one a month old? see, this I don't get. nothing is random, yet we have free will. god created you, but if you get cancer, it's all part of his plan.
if I have free will, then my daughters being created by myself and my wife had zero to do with god.
if nothing is random, then they are his children because he wanted them to be.
so which is it?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Hugh I agree. I do not belong to a church. My kids are not baptized, however they each had a dedication ceremony where my husband and I and some family members came together and vowed in front of a nondenominational congregation that we would protect and teach our kids.
We are more than welcome to go to that church at any time, we dont.
I'm struggling to understand how someone can not believe in God but is ok with religion? Or whatever words you want to use here. You're ok with the good people that believe in God but not the people that just show up for xmas mass?
It doesn't matter really tho - I equated atheists with anger and am wrong so. Just seems God talk brings out the best in all of us....Oh please let it rain today.
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FoxyRedLa said:Hugh I agree. I do not belong to a church. My kids are not baptized, however they each had a dedication ceremony where my husband and I and some family members came together and vowed in front of a nondenominational congregation that we would protect and teach our kids.
We are more than welcome to go to that church at any time, we dont.
I'm struggling to understand how someone can not believe in God but is ok with religion? Or whatever words you want to use here. You're ok with the good people that believe in God but not the people that just show up for xmas mass?
It doesn't matter really tho - I equated atheists with anger and am wrong so. Just seems God talk brings out the best in all of us....
I waffle between being agnostic and atheist, in that I don't currently believe there is a god, but I can also admit I can't prove there isn't one. something had to have created everything, whether it be a god or something else, who knows.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
FoxyRedLa said:Hugh I agree. I do not belong to a church. My kids are not baptized, however they each had a dedication ceremony where my husband and I and some family members came together and vowed in front of a nondenominational congregation that we would protect and teach our kids.
We are more than welcome to go to that church at any time, we dont.
I'm struggling to understand how someone can not believe in God but is ok with religion? Or whatever words you want to use here. You're ok with the good people that believe in God but not the people that just show up for xmas mass?
It doesn't matter really tho - I equated atheists with anger and am wrong so. Just seems God talk brings out the best in all of us....
I don't even think it really makes sense to be identified as something I'm not, rather than what I am. when you think about it, it's kind of odd, isn't it? I wouldn't call myself ahomosexual. or afemale. LOLHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Annafalk said:rgambs said:Atheists do get mad sometimes.
I get mad that my sister in law is indoctrinating my niece and nephew into a club which rejects science and rational thought. I get even madder that this club is proven to be a haven for, and protector of, child rapists.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:and of course anyone with resources can find god. but why does no one from an undiscovered tribe somewhere in africa have no relationship with god? why wouldn't he show them the path?
but why does no one from an undiscovered tribe somewhere in africa have no relationship with god? why wouldn't he show them the path?
God only bothered to enlighten 'some' of his children with the way? Oceans dividing continents and no internet... how were, say, native Americans supposed to lead a Christian life and get to heaven?
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Annafalk said:HughFreakingDillon said:Annafalk said:HughFreakingDillon said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:@RYME I will ask you directly: what makes your beliefs more believable than another religion's? you have to admit your beliefs are a product of your geography and/or your upbringing, no?Annafalk said:amethgr8 said:Or the Jehovah Witnesses, their interpretation of god and the Bible is wrong? Compared to Christian belief?
You speak from your own point of view as everyone else does.HughFreakingDillon said:@RYME I will ask you directly: what makes your beliefs more believable than another religion's? you have to admit your beliefs are a product of your geography and/or your upbringing, no?
Just like some of you went to a church when you were young changed your mind on it and have pretty much gone the other way. Free will comes back into play here.
Throughout life I've continued a healthy relationship with my Lord Jesus. I've been in a few dangerous situations that should have gone really really bad but didn't. No other explanation for me other than He must have intervened, for me to have come away unscathed. I have nothing against other religions. I read & study God's Word pray every day or two, I ask for forgiveness for things that I've done wrong, I thank Him for the blessings in my life, and ask for guidance and strength for things I struggle with.
Judging or condemning other religions is none of my business.
no one is asking you to judge another religion. My question was: what do you believe makes Jesus/God your god, as opposed to Allah, or Buddah? do you believe those gods also exist, or yours is the one true god? if so, what makes your religion the "correct" one? I have asked this of many christians over the years, and no one has been able to explain it to me.
And also;
"You should have no other gods before me"
And also, what about the geography question? do you think you would have found christianity had you been born in iran?
I think people most probably adopts to the culture in which they are born.
Those guys are believing in a god that isn't even there?
Sounds a touch atheist to me."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Annafalk said:HughFreakingDillon said:Annafalk said:HughFreakingDillon said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:@RYME I will ask you directly: what makes your beliefs more believable than another religion's? you have to admit your beliefs are a product of your geography and/or your upbringing, no?Annafalk said:amethgr8 said:Or the Jehovah Witnesses, their interpretation of god and the Bible is wrong? Compared to Christian belief?
You speak from your own point of view as everyone else does.HughFreakingDillon said:@RYME I will ask you directly: what makes your beliefs more believable than another religion's? you have to admit your beliefs are a product of your geography and/or your upbringing, no?
Just like some of you went to a church when you were young changed your mind on it and have pretty much gone the other way. Free will comes back into play here.
Throughout life I've continued a healthy relationship with my Lord Jesus. I've been in a few dangerous situations that should have gone really really bad but didn't. No other explanation for me other than He must have intervened, for me to have come away unscathed. I have nothing against other religions. I read & study God's Word pray every day or two, I ask for forgiveness for things that I've done wrong, I thank Him for the blessings in my life, and ask for guidance and strength for things I struggle with.
Judging or condemning other religions is none of my business.
no one is asking you to judge another religion. My question was: what do you believe makes Jesus/God your god, as opposed to Allah, or Buddah? do you believe those gods also exist, or yours is the one true god? if so, what makes your religion the "correct" one? I have asked this of many christians over the years, and no one has been able to explain it to me.
And also;
"You should have no other gods before me"
And also, what about the geography question? do you think you would have found christianity had you been born in iran?
I think people most probably adopts to the culture in which they are born.
Those guys are believing in a god that isn't even there?
Sounds a touch atheist to me.0 -
PJfanwillneverleave1 said:As a concept an Atheist is just a person who does not believe in the belief of a god.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:PJ_Soul said:RYME said:HughFreakingDillon said:and of course anyone with resources can find god. but why does no one from an undiscovered tribe somewhere in africa have no relationship with god? why wouldn't he show them the path?
Easy words, difficult task to accomplish, but the right thing is often the difficult thing to do.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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