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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,438
    Go Beavers said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Brilliant brilliancy on display in all its brilliance.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/08/11/this-nsc-ex-staffers-memo-is-crazy-trumps-reaction-is-more-disturbing/?undefined=&utm_term=.8cb0d62ee47e&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

    As part of the Maoist Insurgency, I'm pissed Higgins blew our plan up.  


    I met a MaoMao once. Andy Warhol did a nice portrait too.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I dont think this will set you straight but these are my beliefs.

    You ran a terrible un-electable wobbly candidate that nobody liked that was really good at losing except outside of NY. Historically Hillary is much better at being appointed then being elected. 
    The democratic leadership and the DNC didnt have the guts to tell Hillary to go pound sand. She lost to a fresh faced Senator from Illinois 8 years prior. Did they think their base would pivot from Obama to Hillary? Excluding wars, he was everything she wasn't. If she wasnt good enough then what makes her good enough now? I guess there was really no one else, and thats speaks volumes about the democrats.
    Big shock, the voters rejected her in 08 and they rejected her again in 16! Wow, how could anyone see that coming.

    I will spare you with the rigging the primary details because it is a fact, undeniable that the dnc was fixed on Hilliary and come hell or high water she was going to be "appointed" the nominee one way or the other. If you dont believe this or choose to ignore it and think that it had nothing to do with the general election then the only stupid in the room is you.
    When people claim that the voters are stupid, I completely disagree, I think voters were smart enough to know a cheater when they see one, smart enough to know crooked (crooked hilliary!) when they see it, not dumb enough to not know all you've done (the most qualified candidate) for them but smart enough to know how little you actually did, smart enough to see thru the typical tired old negative campaign tactics of racist, sexist, bigot, nazi, etc etc and smart enough to see real collusion among the Hillary camp, the DNC and the MSM when it smacks them in the face, repeatedly.  AND THOSE VOTERS STAYED HOME!!!
    Believe it or not the voters were so sick of Hilliary they decided to live with the prospects of a Trump presidency them bring themselves to vote for Hilliary! (you really dont have to read any further, thats it)

    Remember the pied piper theory, that worked out well. The "elevate the pied piper candidate", had everything to do with the medias coverage of Trump during the primaries and general and it backfired, big time. Hillary and the DNC were so confident that they would landslide Trump, they begged for him (as did many many many on here) to be the nominee.
    She along with the colluding media totally underestimated Trump and how his message would motivate his voters. Go compare the rallys, assess the level of excitement at each. Except for when Hilliary trotted out Katy and Queen B, nobody showed up nobody was excited!
    Hillary never even bothered to campaign in some states, states that could offer a challenge. Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?
    Seems a little over confident arrogant and cocky to me, traits that according to Hilliary resonate with voters.
    Didnt we get what Hillary and co along with the colluding media media wanted? TRUMP
    Remember the 24 hr Trump coverage, (elevate the pied piper) it was good for ratings, good for the bottom line maybe not so good for America. See why Im so confused as to the confusion of how did we get here.

    Hilliary ran a 100% negative, exclusionary campaign without any message other then, I'm with Her, and Her turn. It wasnt about sexism it was about not putting your finger on the pulse of the deciding voters. They didnt care about tax returns (except a few in here) nearly as much as she did. Simply put, deciding voters weren't buying what she was selling, period.
    Her messages were rooted in fear, vote for me or else its HIM.

    It was all Hilliary, plain and simple, not electoral system, not stupid voters and not Russia, she was the only candidate that could possibly lose to Trump with the help of a billion dollars.
    She had a trust issue, a likability issue, a perpetual war issue and status quo issue (if you bothered to read the Podesta emails) her camp and the DNC knew about it months before the election! What did they do? Run ads about little girls waking up in the middle of the night and running for the fallout shelter. Yeah, that will work, that will energize voters.

    Its not that difficult, next time bring issues to the struggling middle class, don't ignore them and call them super predators or deplorable, not once but twice.

    Before I get the silly Trump replies, know that I'm not referring to hardcore republicans or the first time or rarely vote Trump voters, she could never appeal to them, she never had their vote from the jump. I'm referring to those that usually decide elections, the avg John/Jane voters and independent voters. I'm damn sure someones reply will be smart enough blah blah they voted trump, what are you stupid, smart enough balh blah, again and again Im not referring to those voters, I referring to the deciding voters that decided to stay home.

    Here's a suggestion maybe talk to a Trump supporter once in a while and see what they say, I have and I don't think they're contagious.

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888
    Go Beavers said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Brilliant brilliancy on display in all its brilliance.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/08/11/this-nsc-ex-staffers-memo-is-crazy-trumps-reaction-is-more-disturbing/?undefined=&utm_term=.8cb0d62ee47e&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

    As part of the Maoist Insurgency, I'm pissed Higgins blew our plan up.  

    The firing of the staffer was one of the things that set Breitbart and its troll army against McMaster.  I did read somewhere that the war is isolating Bannon, considering McMaster, Mattis and Kelly have banded together and are isolating him.  Kelly is close to McMaster and he supposedly has done a good job controlling access.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,438
    JC29856 said:
    I dont think this will set you straight but these are my beliefs.

    You ran a terrible un-electable wobbly candidate that nobody liked that was really good at losing except outside of NY. Historically Hillary is much better at being appointed then being elected. 
    The democratic leadership and the DNC didnt have the guts to tell Hillary to go pound sand. She lost to a fresh faced Senator from Illinois 8 years prior. Did they think their base would pivot from Obama to Hillary? Excluding wars, he was everything she wasn't. If she wasnt good enough then what makes her good enough now? I guess there was really no one else, and thats speaks volumes about the democrats.
    Big shock, the voters rejected her in 08 and they rejected her again in 16! Wow, how could anyone see that coming.

    I will spare you with the rigging the primary details because it is a fact, undeniable that the dnc was fixed on Hilliary and come hell or high water she was going to be "appointed" the nominee one way or the other. If you dont believe this or choose to ignore it and think that it had nothing to do with the general election then the only stupid in the room is you.
    When people claim that the voters are stupid, I completely disagree, I think voters were smart enough to know a cheater when they see one, smart enough to know crooked (crooked hilliary!) when they see it, not dumb enough to not know all you've done (the most qualified candidate) for them but smart enough to know how little you actually did, smart enough to see thru the typical tired old negative campaign tactics of racist, sexist, bigot, nazi, etc etc and smart enough to see real collusion among the Hillary camp, the DNC and the MSM when it smacks them in the face, repeatedly.  AND THOSE VOTERS STAYED HOME!!!
    Believe it or not the voters were so sick of Hilliary they decided to live with the prospects of a Trump presidency them bring themselves to vote for Hilliary! (you really dont have to read any further, thats it)

    Remember the pied piper theory, that worked out well. The "elevate the pied piper candidate", had everything to do with the medias coverage of Trump during the primaries and general and it backfired, big time. Hillary and the DNC were so confident that they would landslide Trump, they begged for him (as did many many many on here) to be the nominee.
    She along with the colluding media totally underestimated Trump and how his message would motivate his voters. Go compare the rallys, assess the level of excitement at each. Except for when Hilliary trotted out Katy and Queen B, nobody showed up nobody was excited!
    Hillary never even bothered to campaign in some states, states that could offer a challenge. Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?
    Seems a little over confident arrogant and cocky to me, traits that according to Hilliary resonate with voters.
    Didnt we get what Hillary and co along with the colluding media media wanted? TRUMP
    Remember the 24 hr Trump coverage, (elevate the pied piper) it was good for ratings, good for the bottom line maybe not so good for America. See why Im so confused as to the confusion of how did we get here.

    Hilliary ran a 100% negative, exclusionary campaign without any message other then, I'm with Her, and Her turn. It wasnt about sexism it was about not putting your finger on the pulse of the deciding voters. They didnt care about tax returns (except a few in here) nearly as much as she did. Simply put, deciding voters weren't buying what she was selling, period.
    Her messages were rooted in fear, vote for me or else its HIM.

    It was all Hilliary, plain and simple, not electoral system, not stupid voters and not Russia, she was the only candidate that could possibly lose to Trump with the help of a billion dollars.
    She had a trust issue, a likability issue, a perpetual war issue and status quo issue (if you bothered to read the Podesta emails) her camp and the DNC knew about it months before the election! What did they do? Run ads about little girls waking up in the middle of the night and running for the fallout shelter. Yeah, that will work, that will energize voters.

    Its not that difficult, next time bring issues to the struggling middle class, don't ignore them and call them super predators or deplorable, not once but twice.

    Before I get the silly Trump replies, know that I'm not referring to hardcore republicans or the first time or rarely vote Trump voters, she could never appeal to them, she never had their vote from the jump. I'm referring to those that usually decide elections, the avg John/Jane voters and independent voters. I'm damn sure someones reply will be smart enough blah blah they voted trump, what are you stupid, smart enough balh blah, again and again Im not referring to those voters, I referring to the deciding voters that decided to stay home.

    Here's a suggestion maybe talk to a Trump supporter once in a while and see what they say, I have and I don't think they're contagious.


    Fine, but that doesn't explain this:

    232
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    306
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    270 to win
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    Lost 6 seats –6
    Gained 6 seats +6

    Popular Vote

    65,853,625 votes (48.0%)
    62,985,106 votes (45.9%)


    Which brings us to Russia, Russia, Russia.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    I dont think this will set you straight but these are my beliefs.

    You ran a terrible un-electable wobbly candidate that nobody liked that was really good at losing except outside of NY. Historically Hillary is much better at being appointed then being elected. 
    The democratic leadership and the DNC didnt have the guts to tell Hillary to go pound sand. She lost to a fresh faced Senator from Illinois 8 years prior. Did they think their base would pivot from Obama to Hillary? Excluding wars, he was everything she wasn't. If she wasnt good enough then what makes her good enough now? I guess there was really no one else, and thats speaks volumes about the democrats.
    Big shock, the voters rejected her in 08 and they rejected her again in 16! Wow, how could anyone see that coming.

    I will spare you with the rigging the primary details because it is a fact, undeniable that the dnc was fixed on Hilliary and come hell or high water she was going to be "appointed" the nominee one way or the other. If you dont believe this or choose to ignore it and think that it had nothing to do with the general election then the only stupid in the room is you.
    When people claim that the voters are stupid, I completely disagree, I think voters were smart enough to know a cheater when they see one, smart enough to know crooked (crooked hilliary!) when they see it, not dumb enough to not know all you've done (the most qualified candidate) for them but smart enough to know how little you actually did, smart enough to see thru the typical tired old negative campaign tactics of racist, sexist, bigot, nazi, etc etc and smart enough to see real collusion among the Hillary camp, the DNC and the MSM when it smacks them in the face, repeatedly.  AND THOSE VOTERS STAYED HOME!!!
    Believe it or not the voters were so sick of Hilliary they decided to live with the prospects of a Trump presidency them bring themselves to vote for Hilliary! (you really dont have to read any further, thats it)

    Remember the pied piper theory, that worked out well. The "elevate the pied piper candidate", had everything to do with the medias coverage of Trump during the primaries and general and it backfired, big time. Hillary and the DNC were so confident that they would landslide Trump, they begged for him (as did many many many on here) to be the nominee.
    She along with the colluding media totally underestimated Trump and how his message would motivate his voters. Go compare the rallys, assess the level of excitement at each. Except for when Hilliary trotted out Katy and Queen B, nobody showed up nobody was excited!
    Hillary never even bothered to campaign in some states, states that could offer a challenge. Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?
    Seems a little over confident arrogant and cocky to me, traits that according to Hilliary resonate with voters.
    Didnt we get what Hillary and co along with the colluding media media wanted? TRUMP
    Remember the 24 hr Trump coverage, (elevate the pied piper) it was good for ratings, good for the bottom line maybe not so good for America. See why Im so confused as to the confusion of how did we get here.

    Hilliary ran a 100% negative, exclusionary campaign without any message other then, I'm with Her, and Her turn. It wasnt about sexism it was about not putting your finger on the pulse of the deciding voters. They didnt care about tax returns (except a few in here) nearly as much as she did. Simply put, deciding voters weren't buying what she was selling, period.
    Her messages were rooted in fear, vote for me or else its HIM.

    It was all Hilliary, plain and simple, not electoral system, not stupid voters and not Russia, she was the only candidate that could possibly lose to Trump with the help of a billion dollars.
    She had a trust issue, a likability issue, a perpetual war issue and status quo issue (if you bothered to read the Podesta emails) her camp and the DNC knew about it months before the election! What did they do? Run ads about little girls waking up in the middle of the night and running for the fallout shelter. Yeah, that will work, that will energize voters.

    Its not that difficult, next time bring issues to the struggling middle class, don't ignore them and call them super predators or deplorable, not once but twice.

    Before I get the silly Trump replies, know that I'm not referring to hardcore republicans or the first time or rarely vote Trump voters, she could never appeal to them, she never had their vote from the jump. I'm referring to those that usually decide elections, the avg John/Jane voters and independent voters. I'm damn sure someones reply will be smart enough blah blah they voted trump, what are you stupid, smart enough balh blah, again and again Im not referring to those voters, I referring to the deciding voters that decided to stay home.

    Here's a suggestion maybe talk to a Trump supporter once in a while and see what they say, I have and I don't think they're contagious.


    Fine, but that doesn't explain this:

    232
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    306
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    270 to win
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    Lost 6 seats –6
    Gained 6 seats +6

    Popular Vote

    65,853,625 votes (48.0%)
    62,985,106 votes (45.9%)


    Which brings us to Russia, Russia, Russia.

    "Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?"

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
    Trump had no political track record so how can they be applied to him? I guessing the voters that voted for Trump (I excluded them) didnt care about it because what one does as a CEO for profit doesnt apply to how one would be POTUS.
    They obviously liked his message of America First, MAGA and may have been sick of names like Bush Clinton but Im guessing again.
    Isn't Trump what the person you voted for wanted? Isn't he who you wanted to be the GOP nominee?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
    Trump had no political track record so how can they be applied to him? I guessing the voters that voted for Trump (I excluded them) didnt care about it because what one does as a CEO for profit doesnt apply to how one would be POTUS.
    They obviously liked his message of America First, MAGA and may have been sick of names like Bush Clinton but Im guessing again.
    Isn't Trump what the person you voted for wanted? Isn't he who you wanted to be the GOP nominee?
    I don't know who Clinton wanted to get nominated. I didn't want trump to be nominated. I understood how and why it happened, but even just having him be nominated was embarrassing enough. And yes, you are guessing again. Most of what you are saying about the voters and why they voted is guessing. And your guesses are just a reflection of your own biases. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,438
    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    I dont think this will set you straight but these are my beliefs.

    You ran a terrible un-electable wobbly candidate that nobody liked that was really good at losing except outside of NY. Historically Hillary is much better at being appointed then being elected. 
    The democratic leadership and the DNC didnt have the guts to tell Hillary to go pound sand. She lost to a fresh faced Senator from Illinois 8 years prior. Did they think their base would pivot from Obama to Hillary? Excluding wars, he was everything she wasn't. If she wasnt good enough then what makes her good enough now? I guess there was really no one else, and thats speaks volumes about the democrats.
    Big shock, the voters rejected her in 08 and they rejected her again in 16! Wow, how could anyone see that coming.

    I will spare you with the rigging the primary details because it is a fact, undeniable that the dnc was fixed on Hilliary and come hell or high water she was going to be "appointed" the nominee one way or the other. If you dont believe this or choose to ignore it and think that it had nothing to do with the general election then the only stupid in the room is you.
    When people claim that the voters are stupid, I completely disagree, I think voters were smart enough to know a cheater when they see one, smart enough to know crooked (crooked hilliary!) when they see it, not dumb enough to not know all you've done (the most qualified candidate) for them but smart enough to know how little you actually did, smart enough to see thru the typical tired old negative campaign tactics of racist, sexist, bigot, nazi, etc etc and smart enough to see real collusion among the Hillary camp, the DNC and the MSM when it smacks them in the face, repeatedly.  AND THOSE VOTERS STAYED HOME!!!
    Believe it or not the voters were so sick of Hilliary they decided to live with the prospects of a Trump presidency them bring themselves to vote for Hilliary! (you really dont have to read any further, thats it)

    Remember the pied piper theory, that worked out well. The "elevate the pied piper candidate", had everything to do with the medias coverage of Trump during the primaries and general and it backfired, big time. Hillary and the DNC were so confident that they would landslide Trump, they begged for him (as did many many many on here) to be the nominee.
    She along with the colluding media totally underestimated Trump and how his message would motivate his voters. Go compare the rallys, assess the level of excitement at each. Except for when Hilliary trotted out Katy and Queen B, nobody showed up nobody was excited!
    Hillary never even bothered to campaign in some states, states that could offer a challenge. Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?
    Seems a little over confident arrogant and cocky to me, traits that according to Hilliary resonate with voters.
    Didnt we get what Hillary and co along with the colluding media media wanted? TRUMP
    Remember the 24 hr Trump coverage, (elevate the pied piper) it was good for ratings, good for the bottom line maybe not so good for America. See why Im so confused as to the confusion of how did we get here.

    Hilliary ran a 100% negative, exclusionary campaign without any message other then, I'm with Her, and Her turn. It wasnt about sexism it was about not putting your finger on the pulse of the deciding voters. They didnt care about tax returns (except a few in here) nearly as much as she did. Simply put, deciding voters weren't buying what she was selling, period.
    Her messages were rooted in fear, vote for me or else its HIM.

    It was all Hilliary, plain and simple, not electoral system, not stupid voters and not Russia, she was the only candidate that could possibly lose to Trump with the help of a billion dollars.
    She had a trust issue, a likability issue, a perpetual war issue and status quo issue (if you bothered to read the Podesta emails) her camp and the DNC knew about it months before the election! What did they do? Run ads about little girls waking up in the middle of the night and running for the fallout shelter. Yeah, that will work, that will energize voters.

    Its not that difficult, next time bring issues to the struggling middle class, don't ignore them and call them super predators or deplorable, not once but twice.

    Before I get the silly Trump replies, know that I'm not referring to hardcore republicans or the first time or rarely vote Trump voters, she could never appeal to them, she never had their vote from the jump. I'm referring to those that usually decide elections, the avg John/Jane voters and independent voters. I'm damn sure someones reply will be smart enough blah blah they voted trump, what are you stupid, smart enough balh blah, again and again Im not referring to those voters, I referring to the deciding voters that decided to stay home.

    Here's a suggestion maybe talk to a Trump supporter once in a while and see what they say, I have and I don't think they're contagious.


    Fine, but that doesn't explain this:

    232
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    306
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    270 to win
    Hillary Clinton Clinton
    Donald J. Trump Trump
    Lost 6 seats –6
    Gained 6 seats +6

    Popular Vote

    65,853,625 votes (48.0%)
    62,985,106 votes (45.9%)


    Which brings us to Russia, Russia, Russia.

    "Did her camp and her democratic operatives somehow think that votes in Cal and NY would offset the votes in Michigan and Wisconsin?"


    Will reply in more detail later but in a nut shell, no, that would be negligent.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Brilliant brilliancy on display in all its brilliance.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/08/11/this-nsc-ex-staffers-memo-is-crazy-trumps-reaction-is-more-disturbing/?undefined=&utm_term=.8cb0d62ee47e&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

    One way ticket to crazy town. 


  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
    Trump had no political track record so how can they be applied to him? I guessing the voters that voted for Trump (I excluded them) didnt care about it because what one does as a CEO for profit doesnt apply to how one would be POTUS.
    They obviously liked his message of America First, MAGA and may have been sick of names like Bush Clinton but Im guessing again.
    Isn't Trump what the person you voted for wanted? Isn't he who you wanted to be the GOP nominee?
    I don't know who Clinton wanted to get nominated. I didn't want trump to be nominated. I understood how and why it happened, but even just having him be nominated was embarrassing enough. And yes, you are guessing again. Most of what you are saying about the voters and why they voted is guessing. And your guesses are just a reflection of your own biases. 
    Clinton/Clinton camp wanted Trump to be the nominee, its in the "Russian hacked" emails.
    That's fair, you asked a question, I answered, I'm not the voting populace so I (or anyone else) can only guess/offer my opinion.

    You point to the voters that believed in Trump, I point to the voters that didn't believe Hilliary.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
    Trump had no political track record so how can they be applied to him? I guessing the voters that voted for Trump (I excluded them) didnt care about it because what one does as a CEO for profit doesnt apply to how one would be POTUS.
    They obviously liked his message of America First, MAGA and may have been sick of names like Bush Clinton but Im guessing again.
    Isn't Trump what the person you voted for wanted? Isn't he who you wanted to be the GOP nominee?
    I don't know who Clinton wanted to get nominated. I didn't want trump to be nominated. I understood how and why it happened, but even just having him be nominated was embarrassing enough. And yes, you are guessing again. Most of what you are saying about the voters and why they voted is guessing. And your guesses are just a reflection of your own biases. 
    Clinton/Clinton camp wanted Trump to be the nominee, its in the "Russian hacked" emails.
    That's fair, you asked a question, I answered, I'm not the voting populace so I (or anyone else) can only guess/offer my opinion.

    You point to the voters that believed in Trump, I point to the voters that didn't believe Hilliary.
    You are also focusing on middle of the road voters. You're implying that group didn't want to vote Clinton, but then had to vote trump out of some obligation rather than just not vote at all. What you're leaving out is that a large number of people weighed the two, and went with trump by choice over not voting or voting Clinton. 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    JC, I've talked to trump voters, and what they say, combined with what you said and didn't say, supports my thoughts about the election. Your emphasis is on Clinton being unpopular, and that drove the vote. You downplay the appeal trump had with voters. Ever since the election, there's been a theme that trump voters and the republican party aren't really responsible for this. It's bullshit revisionism. 
    My emphasis on why we have Trump is Hilliary and those that decided to stay home. I gave reasons why I think she is/was unpopular.
    I didnt downplay anything with Trump because its not about Trump. Re-read it, but its just my opinion.
    Is it your opinion that elevating the pied piper candidate is bullshit?
    How can it not be about trump? Your reasons for why you think she was unpopular can also be applied to trump. They were even multiplied by trump. What are your reasons for people weighing the two candidates and deciding to go with trump over Clinton? 
    Trump had no political track record so how can they be applied to him? I guessing the voters that voted for Trump (I excluded them) didnt care about it because what one does as a CEO for profit doesnt apply to how one would be POTUS.
    They obviously liked his message of America First, MAGA and may have been sick of names like Bush Clinton but Im guessing again.
    Isn't Trump what the person you voted for wanted? Isn't he who you wanted to be the GOP nominee?
    I don't know who Clinton wanted to get nominated. I didn't want trump to be nominated. I understood how and why it happened, but even just having him be nominated was embarrassing enough. And yes, you are guessing again. Most of what you are saying about the voters and why they voted is guessing. And your guesses are just a reflection of your own biases. 
    Clinton/Clinton camp wanted Trump to be the nominee, its in the "Russian hacked" emails.
    That's fair, you asked a question, I answered, I'm not the voting populace so I (or anyone else) can only guess/offer my opinion.

    You point to the voters that believed in Trump, I point to the voters that didn't believe Hilliary.
    You are also focusing on middle of the road voters. You're implying that group didn't want to vote Clinton, but then had to vote trump out of some obligation rather than just not vote at all. What you're leaving out is that a large number of people weighed the two, and went with trump by choice over not voting or voting Clinton. 
    I only focused on those voters because they typically decide presidential elections. No sense in addressing dead red or true voters, they are predictable usually vote for whoever the nominee is.

    Again you point at voters that chose Trump over Hilliary, I point to voters that couldn't bring themselves to vote Hilliary and stayed home.

    I'll add this, if those stay home voters weren't convinced that the election was a Hilliary landslide (Nate Silver), that the prospects of a Trump presidency was real life, maybe they would have come out.
    Let's throw some blame on all those phony polls. interesting that the Trumpers came out in the face of those same polls, maybe to make the results respectable.

    If you had to choose would you want someone voting for you or against your opponent?

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    In your eyes, which polls were phony?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:
    In your eyes, which polls were phony?
    All of the ones that had Trump with a less than 10% chance of winning, all of the poll graphics posted daily on these forums that gave you, the voter, phony confidence in a Hilliary landslide victory. The same ones that may have kept some people home on election day.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,588
    JC29856 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    In your eyes, which polls were phony?
    All of the ones that had Trump with a less than 10% chance of winning, all of the poll graphics posted daily on these forums that gave you, the voter, phony confidence in a Hilliary landslide victory. The same ones that may have kept some people home on election day.
    trump having less than a 10% chance were accurate. It was an upset win. That doesn't make those polls invalid because he won. The polls that were off the mark were a few in the mid-west. For example Wisconsin. The national polls were accurate. 
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