The Concept of God
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I guess people just took other people's word for it, and it was easy to buy because of all the other kids around ... thank god those days are over, lol. I need hard evidence of my childhood, dammit.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Trying to illustrate a point that many people want to see evidence of the intermediates. Like the creature that first walked out of the sea, etc. Let's just say there were no cameras, how do you prove to people there was a little 5yr old you running around way back when.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
This is precisely what was written in the article that I linked to above or right hereponytd said:
Slavery in biblical times was not the same slavery as the last few hundred years. It was more of an economic status. To pay off debts, people became "enslaved" to someone else to work off their debt. Some people sold themselves as "slaves" so they could be taken care of because they were poor or had no skill they could make a living off of. Even in the New Testament, some higher class people were "slaves" to those of a higher class than them. And even then, the Bible says that after 6 years they are free and you must compensate them for their work. It wasn't race based like what the US did to black people. It wasn't a "you're beneath me and I'm going to make you my slave". Actually the Bible condemns slavery for how we know it and race based slavery and those who may steal someone and sell them, that they should be put to death (Exodus 21:6) and in the New Testament slave traders are considered ungodly and sinful.rgambs said:
It's ok, it's just on one side of a demarcating line of civilization that I hopeAnnafalk said:
Freedom of speech and religion is a basic right. I haven't tried to convince anyone anything, just sharing my beliefs and talking should be ok, why enter this thread otherwise.rgambs said:
It isn't wrong to have beliefs, it is wrong to use those beliefs (which aren't supported by credible evidence) to influence the world and other people's lives.Annafalk said:Some people seem to think it's wrong to have beliefs. Do you believe in tomorrow? You don't really have any proofs tomorrow will come.
If I believe tomorrow won't come, that's fine for me.
But if I believe that and I go out convincing people to believe as I do, I can have intended or unintended consequences. Maybe people with darkness in their hearts act out their sick desires, maybe people spend all their money, etc.
It works the same way if I go out and convince people that they will live forever in paradise. Maybe they will take this fleeting life for granted and waste it.
If I believe an invisible man in the sky thinks a man can't love another man... whatever, that's weird, but whatever.
If I say so out loud, if I join an organisation which says so out loud, I am crossing a line which is not fucking cool.
that humanity will someday leave behind.
Then we can stop trying to determine right and wrong from ancient texts and start our determination with the existence of suffering and go from there.
The Bible condones, endorses, and codifies slavery as acceptable, why do you differ in opinion with your Holy Text?
You know that slavery is wrong and produces suffering is the answer.
If that standard were to be expanded fully, the Holy Texts will fall away as the silly, archaic, pieces of trash that they are.
.https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
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Large life forms- i.e. most mammals- take a very long time t evolve. You and I won't see large animals and few small animals change in our life times. As pointed out earlier however, tiny organisms like viruses can and have changed quickly.FoxyRedLa said:PJS and often - I do hear you and I do agree with you I do know I'm way out on a limb and do understand billions of years past before the most recent hundreds of thousands of years it took to the most recent what 6000 of what humans are now. I just was thinking with my imagination wondering why nothing else is changing so drastically. But I do get what you're all putting down in terms of evolution.
But now with Climate change, even some smaller animals are changing quickly. I've read about this in a few places but here's just one article that describes some of these changes.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/64300/6-animals-are-rapidly-evolving
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Adapting to the environment. An aspect of evolution.brianlux said:
Large life forms- i.e. most mammals- take a very long time t evolve. You and I won't see large animals and few small animals change in our life times. As pointed out earlier however, tiny organisms like viruses can and have changed quickly.FoxyRedLa said:PJS and often - I do hear you and I do agree with you I do know I'm way out on a limb and do understand billions of years past before the most recent hundreds of thousands of years it took to the most recent what 6000 of what humans are now. I just was thinking with my imagination wondering why nothing else is changing so drastically. But I do get what you're all putting down in terms of evolution.
But now with Climate change, even some smaller animals are changing quickly. I've read about this in a few places but here's just one article that describes some of these changes.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/64300/6-animals-are-rapidly-evolving"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
We are collectively God0
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Well, doesn't someone think highly of himselfShyner said:We are collectively God. my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
One of my favorite poems is Caliban Upon Setebos by Robert Browning
It's all about the nature of God from the viewpoint of a primitive being.
I'd post it here, but I think it would be TLDR material.
Look it up if you're a wordsy person.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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Good to see proper citations in all of your discussions! Haha!!www.cluthelee.com0
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"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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^^^
I can't start a new discussion because I am in jail (that's one of the rules). So I don't know where to put this mozza ball other than on a god thread.
But I read this article 2days ago and AI has been on my mind. Must be coming off on this thread. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-shuts-down-chatbots-bob-alice-secret-language-artificial-intelligence/Last month, researchers at Facebook found two bots developed in the social network's AI division had been communicating with each other in an unexpected way. The bots, named Bob and Alice, had generated a language all on their own:
Bob: "I can can I I everything else."
Alice: "Balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to."
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So I have a brother in jail huh? Well,PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
I can't start a new discussion because I am in jail (that's one of the rules). So I don't know where to put this mozza ball other than on a god thread.
But I read this article 2days ago and AI has been on my mind. Must be coming off on this thread. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-shuts-down-chatbots-bob-alice-secret-language-artificial-intelligence/Last month, researchers at Facebook found two bots developed in the social network's AI division had been communicating with each other in an unexpected way. The bots, named Bob and Alice, had generated a language all on their own:
Bob: "I can can I I everything else."
Alice: "Balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to."
This song from the Johnny Cash live at Folsom Prison show might work well here. Music can make its way into any thread. Seriously, I hope that they let you use earphones Johnny Cash live at Folsom is one of the best live albums in my opinion. I hope that you can enjoy this.
https://youtu.be/0Ub3RiVLO4I
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i've been on the beach a while, so sorry for the late reply, but i agree with all of your posts completely. when i started this thread, i explicitly stated i hoped it didn't devolve into the type of garbage all other religion-based threads have gone. but it has. and it's too bad.FoxyRedLa said:Your posts above come off angry. Before those no there weren't angry posts but hateful ones. And why can't an opinion just be that? Why always the negative bs? There is no longer a discussion going on in this thread.
I do not know which thread the full blown racist is in. And I don't feel anyone in this thread is racist. I'm just tired of reading post after post with intentions of bringing people down. There is a difference between fun humor and what I feel when I read some of these posts. But again it was an opinion.
I can't keep up with all of the different threads. There are so many. I did not randomly pick this thread to say anything. I've been following this thread.
My only point was I hate reading the bully type posts here on this site. I do understand it's all over the different places here. I see the closed threads. It is not possible for me to keep up with all on each differ section.
we can all have opinions, but it's how we express them that defines us.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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You're back from the beach! Welcome back. While you were gone the concept of god has gone exactly as it should.
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holidays from work and amt. it was glorious. i need to cancel my membership and head back to the water.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Hear hear!HughFreakingDillon said:
i've been on the beach a while, so sorry for the late reply, but i agree with all of your posts completely. when i started this thread, i explicitly stated i hoped it didn't devolve into the type of garbage all other religion-based threads have gone. but it has. and it's too bad.FoxyRedLa said:Your posts above come off angry. Before those no there weren't angry posts but hateful ones. And why can't an opinion just be that? Why always the negative bs? There is no longer a discussion going on in this thread.
I do not know which thread the full blown racist is in. And I don't feel anyone in this thread is racist. I'm just tired of reading post after post with intentions of bringing people down. There is a difference between fun humor and what I feel when I read some of these posts. But again it was an opinion.
I can't keep up with all of the different threads. There are so many. I did not randomly pick this thread to say anything. I've been following this thread.
My only point was I hate reading the bully type posts here on this site. I do understand it's all over the different places here. I see the closed threads. It is not possible for me to keep up with all on each differ section.
we can all have opinions, but it's how we express them that defines us.Oh please let it rain today.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.0 -
The girls stolen by Moses' army? They were slaves being held by the Egyptians and Moses was sent to free them.rgambs said:
Sorry, but that's bullshit.ponytd said:
Slavery in biblical times was not the same slavery as the last few hundred years. It was more of an economic status. To pay off debts, people became "enslaved" to someone else to work off their debt. Some people sold themselves as "slaves" so they could be taken care of because they were poor or had no skill they could make a living off of. Even in the New Testament, some higher class people were "slaves" to those of a higher class than them. And even then, the Bible says that after 6 years they are free and you must compensate them for their work. It wasn't race based like what the US did to black people. It wasn't a "you're beneath me and I'm going to make you my slave". Actually the Bible condemns slavery for how we know it and race based slavery and those who may steal someone and sell them, that they should be put to death (Exodus 21:6) and in the New Testament slave traders are considered ungodly and sinful.rgambs said:
It's ok, it's just on one side of a demarcating line of civilization that I hopeAnnafalk said:
Freedom of speech and religion is a basic right. I haven't tried to convince anyone anything, just sharing my beliefs and talking should be ok, why enter this thread otherwise.rgambs said:
It isn't wrong to have beliefs, it is wrong to use those beliefs (which aren't supported by credible evidence) to influence the world and other people's lives.Annafalk said:Some people seem to think it's wrong to have beliefs. Do you believe in tomorrow? You don't really have any proofs tomorrow will come.
If I believe tomorrow won't come, that's fine for me.
But if I believe that and I go out convincing people to believe as I do, I can have intended or unintended consequences. Maybe people with darkness in their hearts act out their sick desires, maybe people spend all their money, etc.
It works the same way if I go out and convince people that they will live forever in paradise. Maybe they will take this fleeting life for granted and waste it.
If I believe an invisible man in the sky thinks a man can't love another man... whatever, that's weird, but whatever.
If I say so out loud, if I join an organisation which says so out loud, I am crossing a line which is not fucking cool. that humanity will someday leave behind.
Then we can stop trying to determine right and wrong from ancient texts and start our determination with the existence of suffering and go from there.
The Bible condones, endorses, and codifies slavery as acceptable, why do you differ in opinion with your Holy Text?
You know that slavery is wrong and produces suffering is the answer.
If that standard were to be expanded fully, the Holy Texts will fall away as the silly, archaic, pieces of trash that they are.
It's not a coincidence that it's the same defense taken up by white supremacists about racial slavery in America.
"Some slaves had a decent life so slavery isn't so bad."
It doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny, and it sure as hell doesn't hold up within the Bible, where slavery and rape and murder is groovy, as long as it's the heathen others that are the victims.
You think the tens of thousands of little girls that were stolen by Moses' army (with God's consent) to be raped until dead or discarded felt like "economic slaves"?
Exodus 21:20
If you beat a slave to death you will be punished, if he gets up after a few days it's ok because they are your property.
I'm sure those slaves were super keen on their "economic arrangement".
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Welcome back. There have been some comments here and there, but with any religious or political discussion, there is going to be emotions unfortunately. It's the nature of the beast. We're all adults here and hopefully can continue in the discussion in a rational manner.HughFreakingDillon said:
i've been on the beach a while, so sorry for the late reply, but i agree with all of your posts completely. when i started this thread, i explicitly stated i hoped it didn't devolve into the type of garbage all other religion-based threads have gone. but it has. and it's too bad.FoxyRedLa said:Your posts above come off angry. Before those no there weren't angry posts but hateful ones. And why can't an opinion just be that? Why always the negative bs? There is no longer a discussion going on in this thread.
I do not know which thread the full blown racist is in. And I don't feel anyone in this thread is racist. I'm just tired of reading post after post with intentions of bringing people down. There is a difference between fun humor and what I feel when I read some of these posts. But again it was an opinion.
I can't keep up with all of the different threads. There are so many. I did not randomly pick this thread to say anything. I've been following this thread.
My only point was I hate reading the bully type posts here on this site. I do understand it's all over the different places here. I see the closed threads. It is not possible for me to keep up with all on each differ section.
we can all have opinions, but it's how we express them that defines us.
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Numbers 31ponytd said:
The girls stolen by Moses' army? They were slaves being held by the Egyptians and Moses was sent to free them.rgambs said:
Sorry, but that's bullshit.ponytd said:
Slavery in biblical times was not the same slavery as the last few hundred years. It was more of an economic status. To pay off debts, people became "enslaved" to someone else to work off their debt. Some people sold themselves as "slaves" so they could be taken care of because they were poor or had no skill they could make a living off of. Even in the New Testament, some higher class people were "slaves" to those of a higher class than them. And even then, the Bible says that after 6 years they are free and you must compensate them for their work. It wasn't race based like what the US did to black people. It wasn't a "you're beneath me and I'm going to make you my slave". Actually the Bible condemns slavery for how we know it and race based slavery and those who may steal someone and sell them, that they should be put to death (Exodus 21:6) and in the New Testament slave traders are considered ungodly and sinful.rgambs said:
It's ok, it's just on one side of a demarcating line of civilization that I hopeAnnafalk said:
Freedom of speech and religion is a basic right. I haven't tried to convince anyone anything, just sharing my beliefs and talking should be ok, why enter this thread otherwise.rgambs said:
It isn't wrong to have beliefs, it is wrong to use those beliefs (which aren't supported by credible evidence) to influence the world and other people's lives.Annafalk said:Some people seem to think it's wrong to have beliefs. Do you believe in tomorrow? You don't really have any proofs tomorrow will come.
If I believe tomorrow won't come, that's fine for me.
But if I believe that and I go out convincing people to believe as I do, I can have intended or unintended consequences. Maybe people with darkness in their hearts act out their sick desires, maybe people spend all their money, etc.
It works the same way if I go out and convince people that they will live forever in paradise. Maybe they will take this fleeting life for granted and waste it.
If I believe an invisible man in the sky thinks a man can't love another man... whatever, that's weird, but whatever.
If I say so out loud, if I join an organisation which says so out loud, I am crossing a line which is not fucking cool. that humanity will someday leave behind.
Then we can stop trying to determine right and wrong from ancient texts and start our determination with the existence of suffering and go from there.
The Bible condones, endorses, and codifies slavery as acceptable, why do you differ in opinion with your Holy Text?
You know that slavery is wrong and produces suffering is the answer.
If that standard were to be expanded fully, the Holy Texts will fall away as the silly, archaic, pieces of trash that they are.
It's not a coincidence that it's the same defense taken up by white supremacists about racial slavery in America.
"Some slaves had a decent life so slavery isn't so bad."
It doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny, and it sure as hell doesn't hold up within the Bible, where slavery and rape and murder is groovy, as long as it's the heathen others that are the victims.
You think the tens of thousands of little girls that were stolen by Moses' army (with God's consent) to be raped until dead or discarded felt like "economic slaves"?
Exodus 21:20
If you beat a slave to death you will be punished, if he gets up after a few days it's ok because they are your property.
I'm sure those slaves were super keen on their "economic arrangement".
They were Midian, I believe, and they were taken as slaves, not liberated from slavery.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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