Small Business and Minimum Wage

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    this has been said before: moving out of state because you are broke makes zero sense. it is not a practical solution for most. 
    That seems to be the entire Republican philosophy.  If you don't like your state's
    • gun laws
    • abortion laws
    • minimum wage laws
    • health care laws
    • marijuana laws
    just move to another state, problem solved!  As if 320 million people could just pick up and relocate to somewhere that suits them better.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    this has been said before: moving out of state because you are broke makes zero sense. it is not a practical solution for most. 
    That seems to be the entire Republican philosophy.  If you don't like your state's
    • gun laws
    • abortion laws
    • minimum wage laws
    • health care laws
    • marijuana laws
    just move to another state, problem solved!  As if 320 million people could just pick up and relocate to somewhere that suits them better.
    I'm very happy where I live.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,760
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


    Yes Brian, you are correct that it works in a fictional landscape. 
    OK, so I love in a fictional landscape.  John Lennon suggested being a dreamer.  Why not?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


    absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world. 
    "Let's start a new country up."
    -Michael Stipe

    Let's start a new world up.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:
    A min wage only handicaps the worker.

    No min wage means the market sets the price.

    McDonalds has employees working for min wage, whatever it is ($10 for sake of this discussion).
     McDonalds is fulfilling their obligation to the wage rate set by government.  People are willing to work for that because they know that someone will take the job and McDonalds won't pay more for the same reason.

    If no min wage existed McDonalds would be forced to pay what the market will bear.  If everyone stuck together for $12 then you'd get $12.  

    I would still prefer to eliminate the income tax instead of raising the min wage.  Govt wants min wage raised because it would mean more revenue for govt through more taxes taken.  I prefer a person keep what they earn.
     even if there is a minimum wage, if all worker stuck together for $12 McDonald would have to pay that.  the reason for the minimum wage is that we know that there are very desperate people who will not stick to $12 an hour and we don't want them taken advantage of by big business. 

    again, minimum wage is a starting point it does not mean that McDonalds has to start at that rate. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,886
    edited June 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


    absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world. 
    No, namely because it requires private corporations to regulate themselves and make decisions that are good for society and not their bank accounts. Obviously that is the craziest fantasy of all time.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    this has been said before: moving out of state because you are broke makes zero sense. it is not a practical solution for most. 
    That seems to be the entire Republican philosophy.  If you don't like your state's
    • gun laws
    • abortion laws
    • minimum wage laws
    • health care laws
    • marijuana laws
    just move to another state, problem solved!  As if 320 million people could just pick up and relocate to somewhere that suits them better
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066

    The federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Congress hasn't raised it in 10 years.

    I guess all of these places are going to have all of their businesses shut down, unemployment will enter double digits and everyone will end up on welfare?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/30/news/minimum-wage-hikes-july-1/index.html

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    not everyone who is on some sort of welfare are doing nothing.  there was an article on cnbc that you might find interesting.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/12/one-in-three-us-manufacturing-workers-are-on-welfare-study.html

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    when the money runs out, we just borrow more from china, problem solved!
    Or from Russia like Trump did.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    not everyone who is on some sort of welfare are doing nothing.  there was an article on cnbc that you might find interesting.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/12/one-in-three-us-manufacturing-workers-are-on-welfare-study.html

    That's just liberal propaganda, everyone knows that welfare is only given to the lazy and fat.
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    rgambs said:
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    not everyone who is on some sort of welfare are doing nothing.  there was an article on cnbc that you might find interesting.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/12/one-in-three-us-manufacturing-workers-are-on-welfare-study.html

    That's just liberal propaganda, everyone knows that welfare is only given to the lazy and fat.
    Lol
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    rgambs said:
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    not everyone who is on some sort of welfare are doing nothing.  there was an article on cnbc that you might find interesting.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/12/one-in-three-us-manufacturing-workers-are-on-welfare-study.html

    That's just liberal propaganda, everyone knows that welfare is only given to the lazy and fat.
    Damm it i should have known better.  hopefully Trump doesnt take me down in the ring.

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