Small Business and Minimum Wage

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?

    But we get a good look at why there has never been a functional libertarian government. "Close the borders" and "end income tax" - both very workable solutions.
    Yeah, because paying everyone to sit at home on their ass and get paid for it and then get fat so they need more expensive healthcare makes so much sense. 

    Let's keep open borders with unlimited refugees and throw them in the mix too.

    You people are batshit insane.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,240
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?

    But we get a good look at why there has never been a functional libertarian government. "Close the borders" and "end income tax" - both very workable solutions.
    Yeah, because paying everyone to sit at home on their ass and get paid for it and then get fat so they need more expensive healthcare makes so much sense. 

    Let's keep open borders with unlimited refugees and throw them in the mix too.

    You people are batshit insane.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,801
    oftenreading said:
    And sorry, Brian, but I order on Amazon if I'm sending a book as a gift. Much easier than going to the store, then wrapping it, then going to the post office. But otherwise I much prefer independent bookstores. 
    I may bash away at Amazon but I don't berate anyone personally for buying on-line.  I sell some books on line (but just the obscure one's that are unlikely to sell in a brick and mortar).  But might I suggest some sites that more often (but not always) feature better experienced independent sellers?  If so, I would recommend  biblio.com (very cool independent site- my 1st pick where I sell and often my first pick where to buy if it's not in ours or any other stores in our area), AbeBooks.com (but be careful, the cheaper copies of most books there are sold by the same unreliable warehouse sellers on places like Amazon), and Alibris Books.  Any of these will send to the address you choose.  Also take not of seller ratings and how well the describe the book and condition.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?

    But we get a good look at why there has never been a functional libertarian government. "Close the borders" and "end income tax" - both very workable solutions.
    Yeah, because paying everyone to sit at home on their ass and get paid for it and then get fat so they need more expensive healthcare makes so much sense. 

    Let's keep open borders with unlimited refugees and throw them in the mix too.

    You people are batshit insane.
    Huh. And yet many countries with reasonable and humane practices work quite well, and the number of countries where your suggested practices work well is ...... zero. 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?

    But we get a good look at why there has never been a functional libertarian government. "Close the borders" and "end income tax" - both very workable solutions.
    Yeah, because paying everyone to sit at home on their ass and get paid for it and then get fat so they need more expensive healthcare makes so much sense. 

    Let's keep open borders with unlimited refugees and throw them in the mix too.

    You people are batshit insane.

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    jeffbr said:
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    Well, if you believe that government should set pricing and wages for private companies then we obviously have different models.


    Can you please still explain why you are against a minimum wage?  and yes I do believe that the government should set wages for private companies. 

    Are you really proposing that the government (who is really doing a stellar job with the healthcare industry), be put in charge of determining all wages and prices in the private sector? What could possibly go wrong? Luckily we don't have any influence peddling going on in D.C., so I'm sure they'd do a fair and objective job (in secret, behind closed doors, providing their biggest donors with the highest wages and prices).

    Sorry, but that would be one of the nuttier things I could imagine we'd want to do here. Our government is run by a bunch of incompetent boobs. I would never cede that sort of power and responsibility to such an inept bunch of crooks.

    sorry should have been more precise.  I do believe that the government should set a basic minimum wage for all compaies to follow.  I didnt say anything about prices.  consumer determine what the price should be by not shopping at a store if it is too expensive.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?

    But we get a good look at why there has never been a functional libertarian government. "Close the borders" and "end income tax" - both very workable solutions.
    Yeah, because paying everyone to sit at home on their ass and get paid for it and then get fat so they need more expensive healthcare makes so much sense. 

    Let's keep open borders with unlimited refugees and throw them in the mix too.

    You people are batshit insane.
    Wow, talk about batshit.

    Was there a vein popping and foam at the corners of your mouth when you posted this?  
    You are lost in a libertarian fantasy that is so divorced from reality that you think you are the only sane person.
    Good luck with that!
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    As usual, reality is more complex than libertarians understand it to be.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?
    Geezuz, Unsung.

    Youre not thinking so good here. For example, If you don't tax people... how are you going to reinforce your borders? 

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?
    Geezuz, Unsung.

    Youre not thinking so good here. For example, If you don't tax people... how are you going to reinforce your borders? 

    Aye-yay-aye. 
    C'mon, Thirty, you're being unfair. Don't you know that people will voluntarily work to patrol the borders, just like they'll voluntarily work to build the roads and other infrastructure? 
     
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,501
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You have people willing to work for a wage, yet insist that they should not.

    Would you prefer they be on welfare, or starve?
    I would prefer a universal basic income, which is neither
    Close the borders, end all other welfare first Zuck.  

    Why do you want to remove all incentive for people to achieve?

    Why not just end the income tax and let people keep what they earn?
    Geezuz, Unsung.

    Youre not thinking so good here. For example, If you don't tax people... how are you going to reinforce your borders? 

    Aye-yay-aye. 
    He's gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    oftenreading said:
    As usual, reality is more complex than libertarians understand it to be.

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Your reality consists of paying people to do nothing and actually believing that the money won't run out.
    when the money runs out, we just borrow more from china, problem solved!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,801
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


    Yes Brian, you are correct that it works in a fictional landscape. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    brianlux said:
    We're really getting off topic here but I will say I don't totally disagree with unsung's libertarian philosophy.  I just don't see it working with with American's propensity to not be considerate and to bashing each other.  Libertarianism, from what I know of it, can only work well among cooperative people who are respectful of one another. 

    There is one place where this works, a place we could draw on as a good example...


    absolutely, libertarianism sounds great in theory. it's just not practical to the real world. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,057
    I don't think anyone is "against" a living wage. There are many who fear it will have negative outcomes, but that is not to say they don't wish everyone could make a good living.
    not everyone needs a livable wage, for example if you are a defendant you probably don't. 
    I like the concept of different minimum wages for ages; a high school kid can earn one amount, while someone older earns more. But what would prevent more businesses hiring younger people then, my guess it would become even more difficult for the uneducated adults to earn a living than it is now.
    i also don't get what cost of living in your area has to do with it. If you can't afford it, move. It is not your constitutional right to live in NYC or San Francisco. Those are very expensive places to live. I lived in San Diego for 8 years and absolutely loved it. I moved for 1 reason. I knew I could never afford a house on my salary if I stayed. So I moved. Giving $4000/month rent as examples is irrelevant, there are plenty of places for about 1/5 that cost or less, you may not be able to walk to the beach though.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    this has been said before: moving out of state because you are broke makes zero sense. it is not a practical solution for most. 
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