Donald Trump

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Social con? Are you saying prison inmates are social? Vote overwhelmingly Bernie Sanders? And there you go with your toxic discourse again, calling cons social. Everyone knows you're referring to the most disenfranchised among us. 

Is this some kind of joke? Clearly BS means con as in conservative (just as neocon doesn't refer to new-age convicts). Can people you disagree with not say anything without having your anger rammed down their throat, no matter how reasonable?

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

When 7 military service personnel die in an accident... or in any way, frankly... I expect the POTUS to give a fucking statement. And not through Twitter like a 15 year old. Period. 

I gotta agree with the first part...the POTUS needs to get in front of a camera on this.

However, if used appropriately, I could see him sending a twitter message first.  It's just that he can't do that without being a 15 year old.

I don't have an issue with the president, any president, utilizing social media for official statements. the way trump uses it though, it's as if twitter is the official information supplier of the white house. it just seems so.....nontraditional. unofficial. however you want to put it. 

Times change.  Presidents used to use radio then TV.

So the question I have is, is trump cutting edge with his use of twitter....or am I just seeing his tweets more than Obama because of how stupid they are?

Cause if he is using it more, he is changing the political landscape moving forward.  And it can be a very effective tool.  Now we just need someone who isn't a tool using it as president!!

How he uses it is unprofessional, unethical, and an extension of his narcissism. I don't see it as cutting edge. 

Let's cut out the bullshit. The way Trump uses Twitter, in his position, is fucking insane. Literally.

It is very much sane. It is essentially how he won the Presidency over the Clinton money machine. I don't like it either but whether politically it currently does him more harm then good is the open question. You were all wrong before...maybe you are wrong again? Maybe? Nah.

I don't see how that makes him sane. Every time he tweets something it almost always makes his job and the republicans job of getting shit done harder.

It allows him to maintain his outsider persona while keeping his base energized. He ran against the republican party not with it. His crossover/previous Obama voters aren't interested in what makes a republican's life harder.

I get that part....but what is more important? Getting re-elected in 3.5 years or being an effective president? 

He is being effective...just not in the way that you would like.

How is he being effective? By what measure?

Conservative judges, pulled out of TPP, pulled out of Paris, drastic reduction in illegal immigration, energy exploration, reduction in government regulations, obamacare repeal/replace a third of the way to completion, economy generally doing well, and on and on. Most things are moving in the right direction as promised to his voters. In their eyes he is being effective in delivering what was promised and more is to come.

The first three things you listed are the only campaign promises he's followed through on so far.

And now that Handel won republicans will be more likely to support the Trump platform going forward. The GOP healthcare bill was not a drag on Handel and along with tax reform it will likely pass.

what bill?  Haven't released it yet.

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Social con? Are you saying prison inmates are social? Vote overwhelmingly Bernie Sanders? And there you go with your toxic discourse again, calling cons social. Everyone knows you're referring to the most disenfranchised among us. 

Is this some kind of joke? Clearly BS means con as in conservative (just as neocon doesn't refer to new-age convicts). Can people you disagree with not say anything without having your anger rammed down their throat, no matter how reasonable?

As much of a joke as BS claiming that those who use #denier deny the holocaust or #resistance are denigrating the history of the Jewish struggle against the Nazis and as such bear responsibility for the shooting attack on the republican congressmen. Who's angry? I think anyone who supports Trump and his policies is a joke. I'm sorry if that makes you choke on my words.

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Social con? Are you saying prison inmates are social? Vote overwhelmingly Bernie Sanders? And there you go with your toxic discourse again, calling cons social. Everyone knows you're referring to the most disenfranchised among us. 

Is this some kind of joke? Clearly BS means con as in conservative (just as neocon doesn't refer to new-age convicts). Can people you disagree with not say anything without having your anger rammed down their throat, no matter how reasonable?

As much of a joke as BS claiming that those who use #denier deny the holocaust or #resistance are denigrating the history of the Jewish struggle against the Nazis and as such bear responsibility for the shooting attack on the republican congressmen. Who's angry? I think anyone who supports Trump and his policies is a joke. I'm sorry if that makes you choke on my words.

Doesn't make me choke on anything; I just feel that your hatred for all who associate with people who associate with Trump will leave you completely incapable of engaging in reasonable debate with them (which I thought was the purpose here - not just mocking each other). BS isn't Godfather, this is a person here who has agreed with Democrats and Republicans alike on various topic. 

In any case, I'm not trying to be Jiminy Cricket, I would just like to see these discussions here amount to something other than vitriol. 

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Social con? Are you saying prison inmates are social? Vote overwhelmingly Bernie Sanders? And there you go with your toxic discourse again, calling cons social. Everyone knows you're referring to the most disenfranchised among us. 

Is this some kind of joke? Clearly BS means con as in conservative (just as neocon doesn't refer to new-age convicts). Can people you disagree with not say anything without having your anger rammed down their throat, no matter how reasonable?

As much of a joke as BS claiming that those who use #denier deny the holocaust or #resistance are denigrating the history of the Jewish struggle against the Nazis and as such bear responsibility for the shooting attack on the republican congressmen. Who's angry? I think anyone who supports Trump and his policies is a joke. I'm sorry if that makes you choke on my words.

The only thing that makes me angry is your consistent failure to read and/or comprehend simple concepts. I didn't suggest that using the term "denier" with reference to climate change "denigrates the history of the Jewish struggle". I suggested the term "denier" is used to "otherize" political opponents and to shut down debate.

This is well illustrated in this Scott Pelley 2006 CBS interview:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-pelley-and-catherine-herrick-on-global-warming-coverage/

"Pelley's most recent report, like his first, did not pause to acknowledge global warming skeptics, instead treating the existence of global warming as an established fact. I again asked him why. "If I do an interview with Elie Wiesel," he asks, "am I required as a journalist to find a Holocaust denier?"

As you can see people who want to debate science are turned into the scum of the earth, destroyers of the planet. Taken to the extremes, as your subtle language often does, this leads people like the DC shooter to see their political opponents as enemies. This isn't about "jewish denigration" but about the toxic stew you participate in that poisons politics through and through.

Will Nature Geoscience and Benjamin Santer have to be targeted as "deniers" next? He is a big subscriber to the impacts of climate change and is now recognizing that the models are wrong as evidenced by the smaller warming trends.

https://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2973.html

Is this science or denial?

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

my2hands said:

When 7 military service personnel die in an accident... or in any way, frankly... I expect the POTUS to give a fucking statement. And not through Twitter like a 15 year old. Period. 

I gotta agree with the first part...the POTUS needs to get in front of a camera on this.

However, if used appropriately, I could see him sending a twitter message first.  It's just that he can't do that without being a 15 year old.

I don't have an issue with the president, any president, utilizing social media for official statements. the way trump uses it though, it's as if twitter is the official information supplier of the white house. it just seems so.....nontraditional. unofficial. however you want to put it. 

Times change.  Presidents used to use radio then TV.

So the question I have is, is trump cutting edge with his use of twitter....or am I just seeing his tweets more than Obama because of how stupid they are?

Cause if he is using it more, he is changing the political landscape moving forward.  And it can be a very effective tool.  Now we just need someone who isn't a tool using it as president!!

How he uses it is unprofessional, unethical, and an extension of his narcissism. I don't see it as cutting edge. 

Let's cut out the bullshit. The way Trump uses Twitter, in his position, is fucking insane. Literally.

It is very much sane. It is essentially how he won the Presidency over the Clinton money machine. I don't like it either but whether politically it currently does him more harm then good is the open question. You were all wrong before...maybe you are wrong again? Maybe? Nah.

I don't see how that makes him sane. Every time he tweets something it almost always makes his job and the republicans job of getting shit done harder.

It allows him to maintain his outsider persona while keeping his base energized. He ran against the republican party not with it. His crossover/previous Obama voters aren't interested in what makes a republican's life harder.

I get that part....but what is more important? Getting re-elected in 3.5 years or being an effective president? 

He is being effective...just not in the way that you would like.

How is he being effective? By what measure?

Conservative judges, pulled out of TPP, pulled out of Paris, drastic reduction in illegal immigration, energy exploration, reduction in government regulations, obamacare repeal/replace a third of the way to completion, economy generally doing well, and on and on. Most things are moving in the right direction as promised to his voters. In their eyes he is being effective in delivering what was promised and more is to come.

The first three things you listed are the only campaign promises he's followed through on so far.

And now that Handel won republicans will be more likely to support the Trump platform going forward. The GOP healthcare bill was not a drag on Handel and along with tax reform it will likely pass.

what bill?  Haven't released it yet.

Not the senate version. The House version has been available for quite sometime now. Either way no democrat senator will vote for the bill no matter what is in it. They have said so already.