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How about Joy Reid for starters.The Juggler said:BS44325 said:
I agree but there are very mainstream liberals who, while not condoning it, have suggested that Scalise had it coming based on his voting record. That sentiment is quite distasteful and harms democrats via association in swing districts.Tiki said:Nobody's condoning shooting people. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we all think that's bad.
You are making shit up. What "mainstream liberal" said he had a bullet coming?
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/msnbc-joy-reid-under-fire-appalling-steve-scalise-152848003.html
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The Juggler said:BS44325 said:
I agree but there are very mainstream liberals who, while not condoning it, have suggested that Scalise had it coming based on his voting record. That sentiment is quite distasteful and harms democrats via association in swing districts.Tiki said:Nobody's condoning shooting people. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we all think that's bad.
You are making shit up. What "mainstream liberal" said he had a bullet coming?
Where's Benjs with their condemnation of the toxic rhetoric. Am I the only one who hears BS' dog whistle? Sorry but I won't "heel."
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I know Teddy Nugent claimed to have bullets for Barry.
Mainstream lib displeasure with Trump / R policy is not the same as condoning violence.
If the R's want civil discourse, they should start by censuring and then expelling that newly minted Rep from Montana..
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I don't see his tweeting as having anything to do with the recent elections. I'm not sure where your association is coming from. His tweets give us updates on what he's thinking and what his priorities are. I say keep the tweets coming since they get used against him in hearings.BS44325 said:
Of course negative actions by the right can have an equal opposite action. What I am arguing is that even though republicans polled wish Trump would stop tweeting there is currently no evidence that his tweets are having a significant negative electoral effect on the voters he needs. In fact there is more evidence that his tweets have a positive electoral effect just in plain terms of pure wins vs losses. While Trump desperately wants to be loved by the country his strategy was always geared towards winning in enough places by thinner margins. He sacrifices the more country club republican in places like Georgia 6 in order to increase his standing among Rust belt Reagan democrats. So in the end if Handel wins by a narrower margin it is irrelevant as long as the GOP wins in other places that they did not traditionally win. Again...I personally hate his tweeting too...I wish it would stop...but I won't insist that it is ineffective. It is ugly effectiveness.Go Beavers said:
It seems like your own bias is at play here. Perceived negative actions by the left doesn't sway voters, or it even repels them, but negative actions by the right don't have an equal but opposite action?BS44325 said:
No. Sorry. If I am not mistaken the goal of the next congressional election is for democrats to flip red seats where Trump is unpopular. Georgia 6 is a Trump +1 district where his current approval rating is around 35% and yet an unknown Handel outperformed him with a +3. All I have been hearing on here for months is how Trump's tweets and unpopularity will be a weight around every Republican neck and this was the chance to prove it. Instead...failure. If anything Trump voters responded to the nationalization of the race and turned out in numbers not expected for a special election. So again...sorry...there is currently no evidence that Trump's tweets have a significant negative electoral effect and this is the only thing that matters. In two years Handel will be the incumbent and knowing that incumbents win ~ 95% off the time her victory margin will probably be substantially larger. If anything this is a sign that Nancy Pelosi and the #resistance are a far greater weight then Trump's twitter. Running around in black masks and p&ss^ hats is not exactly a winning look in swing districts. Never mind the smashing of windows and shooting of congressmen.The Juggler said:PJ_Soul said:
No, that doesn't demonstrate that his tweeting helps him or anyone else. Actually, those results demonstrate the opposite.BS44325 said:
See Georgia...PJ_Soul said:
I think it's beyond obvious that it hurts him currently, and hurts the nation overall. Can you offer any concrete arguments for how it helps him personally or anyone else? As for sanity... even White House insiders are leaking that he's going batshit crazy.BS44325 said:
It is very much sane. It is essentially how he won the Presidency over the Clinton money machine. I don't like it either but whether politically it currently does him more harm then good is the open question. You were all wrong before...maybe you are wrong again? Maybe? Nah.PJ_Soul said:
Let's cut out the bullshit. The way Trump uses Twitter, in his position, is fucking insane. Literally.Go Beavers said:
How he uses it is unprofessional, unethical, and an extension of his narcissism. I don't see it as cutting edge.cincybearcat said:
Times change. Presidents used to use radio then TV.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't have an issue with the president, any president, utilizing social media for official statements. the way trump uses it though, it's as if twitter is the official information supplier of the white house. it just seems so.....nontraditional. unofficial. however you want to put it.cincybearcat said:
I gotta agree with the first part...the POTUS needs to get in front of a camera on this.my2hands said:When 7 military service personnel die in an accident... or in any way, frankly... I expect the POTUS to give a fucking statement. And not through Twitter like a 15 year old. Period.
However, if used appropriately, I could see him sending a twitter message first. It's just that he can't do that without being a 15 year old.
So the question I have is, is trump cutting edge with his use of twitter....or am I just seeing his tweets more than Obama because of how stupid they are?
Cause if he is using it more, he is changing the political landscape moving forward. And it can be a very effective tool. Now we just need someone who isn't a tool using it as president!!
Right. That district hasn't gone republican since the 70's. The fact that it was this close and that Handel barely mentioned Trump during the campaign should be an indicator of the opposite being true.
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who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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I am speaking to others on here who are suggesting that his tweets are an absolute negative.Go Beavers said:
I don't see his tweeting as having anything to do with the recent elections. I'm not sure where your association is coming from. His tweets give us updates on what he's thinking and what his priorities are. I say keep the tweets coming since they get used against him in hearings.BS44325 said:
Of course negative actions by the right can have an equal opposite action. What I am arguing is that even though republicans polled wish Trump would stop tweeting there is currently no evidence that his tweets are having a significant negative electoral effect on the voters he needs. In fact there is more evidence that his tweets have a positive electoral effect just in plain terms of pure wins vs losses. While Trump desperately wants to be loved by the country his strategy was always geared towards winning in enough places by thinner margins. He sacrifices the more country club republican in places like Georgia 6 in order to increase his standing among Rust belt Reagan democrats. So in the end if Handel wins by a narrower margin it is irrelevant as long as the GOP wins in other places that they did not traditionally win. Again...I personally hate his tweeting too...I wish it would stop...but I won't insist that it is ineffective. It is ugly effectiveness.Go Beavers said:
It seems like your own bias is at play here. Perceived negative actions by the left doesn't sway voters, or it even repels them, but negative actions by the right don't have an equal but opposite action?BS44325 said:
No. Sorry. If I am not mistaken the goal of the next congressional election is for democrats to flip red seats where Trump is unpopular. Georgia 6 is a Trump +1 district where his current approval rating is around 35% and yet an unknown Handel outperformed him with a +3. All I have been hearing on here for months is how Trump's tweets and unpopularity will be a weight around every Republican neck and this was the chance to prove it. Instead...failure. If anything Trump voters responded to the nationalization of the race and turned out in numbers not expected for a special election. So again...sorry...there is currently no evidence that Trump's tweets have a significant negative electoral effect and this is the only thing that matters. In two years Handel will be the incumbent and knowing that incumbents win ~ 95% off the time her victory margin will probably be substantially larger. If anything this is a sign that Nancy Pelosi and the #resistance are a far greater weight then Trump's twitter. Running around in black masks and p&ss^ hats is not exactly a winning look in swing districts. Never mind the smashing of windows and shooting of congressmen.The Juggler said:PJ_Soul said:
No, that doesn't demonstrate that his tweeting helps him or anyone else. Actually, those results demonstrate the opposite.BS44325 said:
See Georgia...PJ_Soul said:
I think it's beyond obvious that it hurts him currently, and hurts the nation overall. Can you offer any concrete arguments for how it helps him personally or anyone else? As for sanity... even White House insiders are leaking that he's going batshit crazy.BS44325 said:
It is very much sane. It is essentially how he won the Presidency over the Clinton money machine. I don't like it either but whether politically it currently does him more harm then good is the open question. You were all wrong before...maybe you are wrong again? Maybe? Nah.PJ_Soul said:
Let's cut out the bullshit. The way Trump uses Twitter, in his position, is fucking insane. Literally.Go Beavers said:
How he uses it is unprofessional, unethical, and an extension of his narcissism. I don't see it as cutting edge.cincybearcat said:
Times change. Presidents used to use radio then TV.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't have an issue with the president, any president, utilizing social media for official statements. the way trump uses it though, it's as if twitter is the official information supplier of the white house. it just seems so.....nontraditional. unofficial. however you want to put it.cincybearcat said:
I gotta agree with the first part...the POTUS needs to get in front of a camera on this.my2hands said:When 7 military service personnel die in an accident... or in any way, frankly... I expect the POTUS to give a fucking statement. And not through Twitter like a 15 year old. Period.
However, if used appropriately, I could see him sending a twitter message first. It's just that he can't do that without being a 15 year old.
So the question I have is, is trump cutting edge with his use of twitter....or am I just seeing his tweets more than Obama because of how stupid they are?
Cause if he is using it more, he is changing the political landscape moving forward. And it can be a very effective tool. Now we just need someone who isn't a tool using it as president!!
Right. That district hasn't gone republican since the 70's. The fact that it was this close and that Handel barely mentioned Trump during the campaign should be an indicator of the opposite being true.
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Ripped by the right? SadBS44325 said:
How about Joy Reid for starters.The Juggler said:BS44325 said:
I agree but there are very mainstream liberals who, while not condoning it, have suggested that Scalise had it coming based on his voting record. That sentiment is quite distasteful and harms democrats via association in swing districts.Tiki said:Nobody's condoning shooting people. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we all think that's bad.
You are making shit up. What "mainstream liberal" said he had a bullet coming?
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/msnbc-joy-reid-under-fire-appalling-steve-scalise-152848003.html“It’s a delicate thing because, obviously everybody is wishing the congressman well and hoping that he recovers. But Steve Scalise has a history that we’ve all been forced to sort of ignore on race,” Reid said over the weekend.
Reid continued: “He did come to leadership after some controversy over attending a White nationalists event, which he says he didn’t know what it was. Because he is in jeopardy and everyone is pulling for him, are we required in a moral sense to put that aside?”
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BS44325 said:
How about Joy Reid for starters.The Juggler said:BS44325 said:
I agree but there are very mainstream liberals who, while not condoning it, have suggested that Scalise had it coming based on his voting record. That sentiment is quite distasteful and harms democrats via association in swing districts.Tiki said:Nobody's condoning shooting people. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we all think that's bad.
You are making shit up. What "mainstream liberal" said he had a bullet coming?
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/msnbc-joy-reid-under-fire-appalling-steve-scalise-152848003.html
Where did she say he had it coming?It’s a delicate thing because, obviously everybody is wishing the congressman well and hoping that he recovers. But Steve Scalise has a history that we’ve all been forced to sort of ignore on race,”
“He did come to leadership after some controversy over attending a White nationalists event, which he says he didn’t know what it was. Because he is in jeopardy and everyone is pulling for him, are we required in a moral sense to put that aside?”
Sorry. That is not what she was saying.
You said "for starters" implying there were more. Is this all you have?
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Tiki said:I know Teddy Nugent claimed to have bullets for Barry.
Mainstream lib displeasure with Trump / R policy is not the same as condoning violence.
If the R's want civil discourse, they should start by censuring and then expelling that newly minted Rep from Montana..
Thought it was along the lines of, "Obama can suck on my machine gun." And yet nary a word from the Neocons amongst us.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I didn't say people give a shit. I said this is discourse that is happening. We all recognized a long time ago that we don't blame rape victims for the clothes they were wearing. This kind of talk is no different.Tiki said:who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.0 -
A few tweets is not discourse. It's sad one way intercourse.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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Rape victims? you lost me bro. STFD and STFU. Grown ups are talking.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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More toxic spew.BS44325 said:
I didn't say people give a shit. I said this is discourse that is happening. We all recognized a long time ago that we don't blame rape victims for the clothes they were wearing. This kind of talk is no different.Tiki said:who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.
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PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Tiki said:Mental illness should not be politicized.
Only if it is President Trump though right?
I hope you're not suggesting that a mentally ill POTUS shouldn't be politicized! Because that would obviously be impossible!
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You spin everything to the right... it's hilarious... where do you read this shit?BS44325 said:
The cyber attack was on the DNC and as per Jeh Johnson just this afternoon it is understood that the DNC refused to allow the FBI to examine their hacked server. The GOP acknowledges this happened and are taking this sand other areas of interference very seriously. The Senate just passed a bill 98-2 with respect to additional sanctions and also put in place regulations that would limit Trump's ability to lift sanctions. Hearings are ongoing...did you watch today? Finally Trump has been far tougher on Russia then even his biggest opponents could imagine. The relationship with NATO has actually been bolstered as member states have all volunteered to contribute more (even Canada!) and large scale training missions continue in the Baltics. A tougher stance has been taken against Russian interests in Syria. Finally just yesterday Trump met with Ukrainian leadership to seek closer ties. Ain't no fraud here.my2hands said:What's funny is the Neo Con hawk among us, and Trumps supporters in general, seem to have no issue with Tough Guy Donnie not doing shit about Russia launching a cyber attack on the American election... won't even acknowledge it... you guys are frauds
Make America Great Again?
They attacked multiple state election offices... we have a poster here who has been open about that in his state... systems... i infrastructure... voter rolls...
And yes they hacked the DNC... which by the way, hacking a major polticsl party is attacking the election... why do you think they went after the DNC? just for fun? Or a blatant attempt to influence the American election, in THEIR favor... it's obvious... unless you have a big glass of red colored kool-aid
Step out of your echo chamber brother, you sound like Hannity & Limbaugh blaming any problem in the world on democrats...
He is President of The United States of America... not president of the Republicans
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Maybe I'm being dense, but could you clarify what represents the clothes in your metaphor?BS44325 said:
I didn't say people give a shit. I said this is discourse that is happening. We all recognized a long time ago that we don't blame rape victims for the clothes they were wearing. This kind of talk is no different.Tiki said:who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.0 -
And I'm curious as to how he figures nobody blames rape victims because of what they wear anymore. That isn't true. A lot of people still do that.Go Beavers said:
Maybe I'm being dense, but could you clarify what represents the clothes in your metaphor?BS44325 said:
I didn't say people give a shit. I said this is discourse that is happening. We all recognized a long time ago that we don't blame rape victims for the clothes they were wearing. This kind of talk is no different.Tiki said:who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.
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And those that do are wrong. "We" as a society in general have decided that.PJ_Soul said:
And I'm curious as to how he figures nobody blames rape victims because of what they wear anymore. That isn't true. A lot of people still do that.Go Beavers said:
Maybe I'm being dense, but could you clarify what represents the clothes in your metaphor?BS44325 said:
I didn't say people give a shit. I said this is discourse that is happening. We all recognized a long time ago that we don't blame rape victims for the clothes they were wearing. This kind of talk is no different.Tiki said:who gives a shit what people on cable news think? seriously bro.0
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