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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,414
    edited June 2017
    There are those who are on here all the time denouncing all acts of violence and then there are those who magically appear when the roulette wheel has spun back in their favor. I've seen 3 show up today to make a point about this morning's shooter. Hmmm, interesting.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    The root cause of this has nothing to do with politics... just like comet pizza or gifford, its about mental instabilty/disorder coupled with a country littered with firearms and military grade assault rifles.... but I see you hinting you should be concerned for your safety because you're a conservative... if the shooter wasn't a Bernie supporter you wouldn't be anywhere near this thread today... you can say what you want, it's obvious

    Another day, another mass shooting in America... I honestly don't give a rats ass anymore... sold out political class... greedy corporate culture... self centered public that doesnt know shit... country littered with guns... and half of the people think the answer is more guns... powerful psychotrpoic drugs being handed out like candy... and i'm supposed to be shocked??? 

    maybe if all the congressman wore guns out on the baseball field this wouldn't have happened? That's the answer, arm everyone!!!! 

    I notice one theme in all of these shootings... ALL MEN
    Sorry...don't throw out hypotheticals about what I would or wouldn't comment on. The fact is that this tragedy happened and people need to take ownership of the rhetoric that triggered it. If it makes you uncomfortable too bad.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337818-dem-lawmakers-receive-phone-calls-saying-you-guys-are-next

    This is not ok.
    No shit, thats not ok... who said it is?

    I'm well aware of the toxic environment in my country... a lot of it stirred up and championed by your orange hero... 

    You forget I live in America. I've got assholes thinking they are cool wearing guns on their hip at Bob Evans for breakfast... big gun problem up there in Ontario? lol
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,573
    While people in here attempt false equivalencies by saying violent leftists are essentially the same as violent righties, the Southern Baptists were actually divided over a resolution opposing white supremacy and the alt-right. I'll wait for the equivalent Christian left organization that struggled to do the same. 

    There's a message of collusion and approval consoning violence from the right. Except trump, he overtly has encouraged it. 

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-southern-baptist-convention-alt-right-white-supremacy/530244/?utm_source=fbb
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    BS44325 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    BS44325 said:
    Kat said:
    Evil is not too strong a word any longer.

    Yes it is. As a moderator you should at a minimum know that.
    Oh please. What, is it beyond your scope of perception to understand that the POTUS could be evil?? It's not like it's beyond the realm of reason, and all evidence points towards it. Also, I'm pretty sure moderators are allowed to have opinions too.
    After today of all days are you still ok with using the term "evil"? It is that kind of talk that leads stupid people to do violent things in the name of justice. 
    Yes, I'm still okay with calling evil people evil. Nothing will ever change that. So I gather from your question that you think people should ignore evil or pretend it isn't there in order to pander to insane people so that they don't go on a shooting rampage? You act as though I (and Kat I suppose) are using the word evil as hyperbole. I don't know about Kat, but I wasn't. I think it is fucking ludicrous that you think people calling a spade a spade is to blame for a terrorist attack, lol.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,257
    my2hands said:
    When you kill people... especially in this fashion... something tells me they are crazy... unstable... sick... mentally ill... whatever you want to call it... just like the whacks that kill abortion doctors... they are crazy... plenty of pro lifers out there not killing anybody bro... 

    You don't see me shooting anybody do you?  I doubt you're going to shoot Nancy Pelosi anytime soon? 

    When a guy gets fired and goes back and kills someone... do you think it's simply because he was fired? Or just maybe there are underlying causes... Stop being so simplistic brother... you're borderline trolling at this point
    Agreed.  Normal people don't commit premidated murder.  There is a lot swirling through their heads though do that.
  • CM189191
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    Senate Judiciary Committee opens investigation into Trump for firing former FBI Director James Comey
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    edited June 2017
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    dignin said:
    Must be a good presidential day for Trump if BS has come out of AMT hiding.  ;)
    I didn't realize I was in hiding but being a conservative maybe I should be?
    I don't recall any libs on these forums spouting such hysteria when Gabriel Gifford was shot. Nothing like politicizing a tragedy for your personal ax grinding. 

    Politicizing a tragedy? The attack itself was political. It was politicized the minute that bernie bro pulled the trigger. To make the point that many on the left and right need to own up to their rhetoric is absolutely necessary. I have in fact been making this point for months and it is why i take offense to calling people "evil" or "parallel hitler" or suggesting that somebody who wants to repeal Obamacare "literally wants to kill people". Those who you disagree with do not need to be dehumanized. If this type of talk continues then these type of events will only continue. A country cannot last under these conditions.
    Calling someone evil "evil" is not dehumanizing. Nor is calling someone out when some of what they do parallels some of what Hitler does. Sorry, your line of thinking here is fucked up. You are now trying to say that people shouldn't be honest about their viewpoints because they should be scared that the truth will make people do crazy shit. Where is your head at?? Again, when people say those things they are being serious, not hyperbolic. You know who is to blame, besides the shooter himself and/or his mental illness? NOT the people who state what they believe to be true about Trump. TRUMP is responsible. It is his actions that lead to people calling him out. If you think the people speaking their minds about Trump's DEPLORABLE behaviour are the cause of such an attack, and not Trump for his deplorable behaviour, then maybe you should give your head a shake. Sorry, but it actually makes me feel a little sick to the stomach to know that you want to blame the ones you're clearly blaming. SICK. You know what is the scariest thing about your statement? That there is a possibility that many others are thinking the same - that those who oppose Trump are responsible for this attack. Do you have any idea how totally hypocritical you are being with this idea of yours??
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.  I know that's trite but it plays out over and over.  The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak.  It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance.  Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    It's a statistical anomaly in a country of this size to have ONE person do something like what happened today and it reflect on the entire left or right.  It's not even radicalization, it's mental illness.  Mental illness shouldn't be politicized.  
    You hear that Wolf Blitzer?  What a tool.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    CM189191 said:
    Senate Judiciary Committee opens investigation into Trump for firing former FBI Director James Comey
    Obstruction of Justice I can roll with.
    He's really just trying to cover up that #PTAPE.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,339
    CM189191 said:
    Senate Judiciary Committee opens investigation into Trump for firing former FBI Director James Comey
    Look at that brilliantly disappearing headline from the largest right wing daily newspaper, owned by Murdoch no less, in all it's brilliant brilliance.
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  • Go Beavers
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    mrussel1 said:
    The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.  I know that's trite but it plays out over and over.  The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak.  It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance.  Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides. 
    I could argue with your claim that it's as dangerous, if you're defining dangerous as killing and assaulting. And people in the entertainmant industry who hold some liberal views aren't exactly liberal leaders. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.  I know that's trite but it plays out over and over.  The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak.  It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance.  Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides. 
    Give me the left's equivalent of Reagan's location of an announcement to run for president location, please?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    edited June 2017
    Go Beavers said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.  I know that's trite but it plays out over and over.  The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak.  It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance.  Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides. 
    I could argue with your claim that it's as dangerous, if you're defining dangerous as killing and assaulting. And people in the entertainmant industry who hold some liberal views aren't exactly liberal leaders. 
    Well also, Bill Maher isn't actually all that far left. Plus, this guy was just a nut-job - the far left is not known for its armed militancy, obviously. This guy doesn't represent anyone at all. If it were a right wing anti-government militant, that would actually be a different story, because there are in fact armed militant right wing movements with real roots and proclaimed agendas. The left really doesn't have a counterpart movement. So I don't think there is an equivalency in that context. I would say that the far right is MUCH more dangerous than the far left, in many tangible ways.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.  I know that's trite but it plays out over and over.  The left is trying to eat its own with Bill Maher as we speak.  It's intolerant in its demand for tolerance.  Something has to change and we need to own it on both sides. 
    It doesn't play out over and over on the left. Kathy I never heard of you and forgot your last name holding trump's bloody severed head was roundly and widely condemned by the left. Give me the right's equivalent. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Please give me an example of Hillary Clinton inviting her crowd to perpetuate violence on a member of the audience who disagrees or protests her and her crowd that became enthusiastic about her rhetoric.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Please give me an example where left wing radio and left wing associated organizations advocated for the death of pro-life leaders or activists.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited June 2017
    Please give me an example of a pro-life activist or leader that was murdered for their constitutionally protected rights.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,339
    edited June 2017
    ^^^^^^^^

    In their house of worship no less.

    Or standing at their kitchen sink with their wife and being shot through the window.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    ^^^^^^^^

    In their house of worship no less.

    Or standing at their kitchen sink with their wife and being shot through the window.

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