Multiple Fatalities- Ariana Grande Concert

Attaway77 said:

Such a shame this has happened. Now the news reports how she is back "home" safe after all of this. This "home" she said she absolutely hates... It's amazing how so many people say one thing, believe in another thing but don't do a damn thing but talk..... We live in a fucked up world, that's the reality of it all.... It's always been crazy, just go back and research history. This is just the time we have to live in and that's unfortunate but a reality..

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

CM189191 said:

riley540 said:

Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity. 

Why do we act like religion is good thing?  There are no good religions.

Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on. 

Again... rushing to the defence of Islam.

Stoning a woman to death who is buried chest high in the street because she was accused of infidelity (in front of a cheering crowd no less) is a far cry from not hiring one.

how is what he said "rushing" to defend it? can you describe what "rushing to defend" even means, and why you think that anyone defending anything you disagree with to be "rushing" to do so?

Because any time anyone makes any legitimate critical remark towards Islam... he attempts to rationalize it. Keep up.

I have kept up just fine thanks. 

so the same, inverse argument could be made about you: rushing to criticize. 

No.

It's not even close. What are you talking about?

First... there's the big stretch trying to suggest anti government types like Breivik (who isn't even a Christian) and McVeigh are 'Christian terrorists'.

Second... even if one insisted on believing these acts by these idiots were borne from Christian ideals... they are isolated events and separated by decades of time- hardly anything at all like what we are experiencing by radical Islam in terms of persistence and methodology.

Even in the best case scenario for someone badly wanting others to 'have the perspective' that Islamic terror has its close rivals.

Third... when someone suggests the nationwide treatment of women and homosexuals is abhorrent... an immediate response is to claim that 'Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on'... so, in other words, it's no different there than here. Which... is wrong.

Bin Laden was also anti-US government. The same motivation as McVeigh. 

A devout Muslim.

So much so that he forfeited a life of royalty to live in caves plotting against the west for what they represented to Islamic faith.

So... not so much anti-US government as much as anti-US.

Anti-US?  or Anti-Globalist?  was Osama a Statist?

mcgruff10 said:

I swear to god some of you argue just to argue. Some of you really do remind me of my ex wife.  

mcgruff10 said:

I swear to god some of you argue just to argue. Some of you really do remind me of my ex wife.  

Go Beavers said:

1998 would be around the time there'd be recruiting and training going on to carry out 9/11. If a leader is going to convince someone to do their bidding and kill people, adding grandiosity to the mission is one of the steps to do it. This is also done outside of terrorist groups.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

CM189191 said:

riley540 said:

Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity. 

Why do we act like religion is good thing?  There are no good religions.

Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on. 

Again... rushing to the defence of Islam.

Stoning a woman to death who is buried chest high in the street because she was accused of infidelity (in front of a cheering crowd no less) is a far cry from not hiring one.

how is what he said "rushing" to defend it? can you describe what "rushing to defend" even means, and why you think that anyone defending anything you disagree with to be "rushing" to do so?

Because any time anyone makes any legitimate critical remark towards Islam... he attempts to rationalize it. Keep up.

I have kept up just fine thanks. 

so the same, inverse argument could be made about you: rushing to criticize. 

No.

It's not even close. What are you talking about?

First... there's the big stretch trying to suggest anti government types like Breivik (who isn't even a Christian) and McVeigh are 'Christian terrorists'.

Second... even if one insisted on believing these acts by these idiots were borne from Christian ideals... they are isolated events and separated by decades of time- hardly anything at all like what we are experiencing by radical Islam in terms of persistence and methodology.

Even in the best case scenario for someone badly wanting others to 'have the perspective' that Islamic terror has its close rivals.

Third... when someone suggests the nationwide treatment of women and homosexuals is abhorrent... an immediate response is to claim that 'Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on'... so, in other words, it's no different there than here. Which... is wrong.

edit: fuck it. not worth my time. 

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

CM189191 said:

riley540 said:

Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity. 

Why do we act like religion is good thing?  There are no good religions.

Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on. 

Again... rushing to the defence of Islam.

Stoning a woman to death who is buried chest high in the street because she was accused of infidelity (in front of a cheering crowd no less) is a far cry from not hiring one.

how is what he said "rushing" to defend it? can you describe what "rushing to defend" even means, and why you think that anyone defending anything you disagree with to be "rushing" to do so?

Because any time anyone makes any legitimate critical remark towards Islam... he attempts to rationalize it. Keep up.

I have kept up just fine thanks. 

so the same, inverse argument could be made about you: rushing to criticize. 

No.

It's not even close. What are you talking about?

First... there's the big stretch trying to suggest anti government types like Breivik (who isn't even a Christian) and McVeigh are 'Christian terrorists'.

Second... even if one insisted on believing these acts by these idiots were borne from Christian ideals... they are isolated events and separated by decades of time- hardly anything at all like what we are experiencing by radical Islam in terms of persistence and methodology.

Even in the best case scenario for someone badly wanting others to 'have the perspective' that Islamic terror has its close rivals.

Third... when someone suggests the nationwide treatment of women and homosexuals is abhorrent... an immediate response is to claim that 'Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on'... so, in other words, it's no different there than here. Which... is wrong.

Bin Laden was also anti-US government. The same motivation as McVeigh. 

A devout Muslim.

So much so that he forfeited a life of royalty to live in caves plotting against the west for what they represented to Islamic faith.

So... not so much anti-US government as much as anti-US.

Anti-US?  or Anti-Globalist?  was Osama a Statist?

“Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall, I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them,” said bin Laden in an interview with al-Jazeera Arab television in 1998.


That same year, in an interview with TIME magazine he said, “Our work targets world infidels. Our enemy is the crusader alliance led by America, Britain and Israel. It is a crusader-Jewish alliance.” 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/why-did-osama-bin-laden-hate-americans-jews-and-ch/

so.....a Statist then