Multiple Fatalities- Ariana Grande Concert
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unsung said:HughFreakingDillon said:unsung said:Quick...change your facebook profile pics, that'll solve it.
Stop being lovey dovey over people that wish to do us harm.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:pjhawks said:HughFreakingDillon said:pjhawks said:wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that?
I'm not keeping track of when the bodies were removed, but if I I were, how does talking about the tragedy disrespect the victims in any way, exactly? And how long is the alloted amount of time before we can speak about it? I'm not sure, i was never given the handbook.
Should world leaders also adhere to this rule? If so, you'd better start writing some letters.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??Las Cruces, NM Pan Am Center September 14, 1995
Albuquerque, NM Tingley Coliseum July 7, 1998
New York City, NY MSG May 20, 2010
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Wrigley Field July 19, 2013
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pjhawks said:my2hands said:tempo_n_groove said:rgambs said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:CM189191 said:unsung said:Go Beavers said:Jason P said:So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ...
Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later. To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term
can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?
Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.
McVeigh was anti government.
These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.
I met Iraqi's that still HATED Iranians because they lost a brother, cousin or relative during the war. They still hold animosity towards the whole country.
meanwhile, back in La-La Land North America we sip our latte's and obsess with celebrity while remaining ignorantly bliss to the damage being caused by our ignorance and tax dollars half a world away... for decades nowwe meddle in their affairs... we support brutal oppresive leadership when it favors us... we invade their countries... we bomb their neighborhoods and homes... we slaughter innocents by the hundreds of thousands, shrugging it off as collateral damage... we put video cameras in the tip of missiles and show it hitting its target to the world on TV... we gloat about "Shock & Awe" as the missiles rain down... all while we chant U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
these are not excuses for these type of events... but its pretty obvious that we have been an oppressive/destructive force in the region and frankly started this war decades ago, and now they are taking the war to our city streets instead of their own... why should we be shocked?
as an American I speak about America's role and what I see here... but frankly we are all rolled into one large enemy, "The West", which represents a long standing coalition of western "advanced" countries that have supported Israel and various misadventures in the Middle East.... you think America is the 1st global empire that stepped on toes? ever hear of British Petroleum? lol... England has had a long standing history of meddling in the middle east and supporting American (The West) efforts/interventions/invasions... British soldiers went into Iraq... they went in Afghanistan... intelligence services... special forces... the whole shebang... paging Tony Blairagain, this doesn't excuse it or explain all of it... but we have NO SHOT of making real long term progress if the citizens of the West are not prepared to be honest about our long standing role in that region and the horrific misdeeds that occurred... all this shit didn't just come out of nowhere...
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dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??Las Cruces, NM Pan Am Center September 14, 1995
Albuquerque, NM Tingley Coliseum July 7, 1998
New York City, NY MSG May 20, 2010
Eddie Vedder Solo Albuquerque, NM November 9, 2012
Wrigley Field July 19, 2013
LA Nov. 23: 24, 2013
Denver 10-22-140 -
dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??
That's a good question, I was wondering that myself.dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??mace1229 said:rgambs said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:CM189191 said:unsung said:Go Beavers said:Jason P said:So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ...
Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later. To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term
can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?
Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.
McVeigh was anti government.
These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.
I see a difference in that more often Islamic terrorists do this in the name of their religion. Other home terrorists have other motivation (anti-government for one) who happen to be Christian.
Obviously only very few Muslims supports these acts, and there have been some Christians who have committed horrible crimes claiming they were doing God's work. But I think it answers the questions as to why so many jump to the conclusion it was a Muslim terrorists and is viewed differently in the west. What I can't figure out is why so many seem like they defend it? When a guys kills 50 people yelling "Alah Akbar" people still try to say it wasn't related to radical Islam, and bring up McVeigh as a counter. One of the first posts in this thread seemed like an attempt to defend radical islam. In the last 10 years, how many mass murders were motivated by the Christian faith and acting on behalf of a Christian organization (and not just done by a Christian) and how many were done in the name is Islam? I dont think that number is even.
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dmaradona10 said:PJ_Soul said:dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
nobody is defending radical anything. the point of bringing up the christian ones is this: there are radicals of all faiths. we don't paint all christians like the despicable westboro baptists (yes, I'm aware they haven't killed anyone), so why paint all muslims as terrorists? because their radicals are worse than "our" radicals? that's preposterous. people make comments in jest "but I thought it was a religion of peace". All religions can be bastardized to fit one's agenda. it's that simple.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Almost no one has painted all muslims as terrorists. in fact, I see more anti-Christian comments on this forum than any other religion.
Maybe my interpretation is wrong, but it comes across to me as defensive when in nearly every terrorist attack many hesitate, or even refuse to call it islamic terrorism. The Orlando shooting I remember reading comments on here saying it had nothing to do with Islam, but was anti-gay, even though he clearly had ties to radical Islam. It only took 2 or 3 posts on this topic before more than 1 person was saying don't blame radical Islam. I interpret someone saying don't blame an organization who is clearly at fault in the majority of these cases as defending them, and it is typically those seem people who decide to switch the blame to Christians and point out ever awful deed someone did who identified as Christian. There's a reason why any time you hear of a bomb in a train, bus, school or arena the majority automatically connect it to radical Islam. Although I'm sure there are more, I can only think of 1 or 2 major events in the last 20 years that killed dozens of people that wasn't tied to radical Islam.
Now I'm not in the boat that says we can't solve this problem unless you call it what it is. I just don't understand why every time something does happen there seem to be those who chose to defend radical Islam (and not acknowledging it is defending it in my opinion) and pin Christianity as a bigger terrorist threat by pointing out 2 or 3 cases in the last 30 years where an offender happened to be Christian.
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PJ_Soul said:dmaradona10 said:PJ_Soul said:dmaradona10 said:Make no mistake, this was an attack targeting UK female teenagers. When will the Feminists come out and protest with their pink pussy hats??
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There are bad people from all walks of life. But it is important to note that ISIS is a radical Islamic group and they are responsible for what happened and they are a group growing at a dangerous rate. They are very bad people with a twisted view on what is right. I'm not denying the existence of other radical people, but I'm saying that this was ISIS and they are prominent.0
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mace1229 said:Almost no one has painted all muslims as terrorists. in fact, I see more anti-Christian comments on this forum than any other religion.
Maybe by interpretation is wrong, but it comes across to me as defensive when in nearly every terrorist attack many hesitate, or even refuse to call it islamic terrorism. The Orlando shooting I remember reading comments on here saying it had nothing to do with Islam, but was anti-gay, even though he clearly had ties to radical Islam. It only took 2 or 3 posts on this topic before more than 1 person was saying don't blame radical Islam. I interpret someone saying don't blame an organization who is clearly at fault in the majority of these cases as defending them, and it is typically those seem people who decide to switch the blame to Christians and point out ever awful deed someone did who identified as Christian. There's a reason why any time you hear of a bomb in a train, bus, school or arena the majority automatically connect it to radical Islam. Although I'm sure there are more, I can only think of 1 or 2 major events in the last 20 years that killed dozens of people that wasn't tied to radical Islam.
Now I'm not in the boat that says we can't solve this problem unless you call it what it is. I just don't understand why every time something does happen there seem to be those who chose to defend radical Islam (and not acknowledging it is defending it in my opinion) and pin Christianity as a bigger terrorist threat by pointing out 2 or 3 cases in the last 30 years where an offender happened to be Christian.
second, many people on this forum (many have been banned) have stated very clearly their anti-islamic stances.
third, yes, there is anti-christian sentiment on this forum, but usually only as a retort to being confronted with some type of nonsensical judgement by a christian.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity.0
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riley540 said:Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity.0
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CM189191 said:riley540 said:Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I think the religious texts are all pretty fucked. But most Christian people deny the shifty stuff. Lots of good charity work done from all religions which I appreciate. Just can't get into the cultu judgey thing.
I used to attend a baptist church that was pretty nutty, but the amount of work they did for less fortunate people locally and globally was outstanding. So I can't dog them too hard. Great people stuck in some old school beliefs.0 -
CM189191 said:riley540 said:Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity.
That being said, any religion, custom, practice, etc. that promotes inequality, separation and a hierarchy of superiority based on gender, race, background or any other criteria is not good.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
riley540 said:I think the religious texts are all pretty fucked. But most Christian people deny the shifty stuff. Lots of good charity work done from all religions which I appreciate. Just can't get into the cultu judgey thing.
I used to attend a baptist church that was pretty nutty, but the amount of work they did for less fortunate people locally and globally was outstanding. So I can't dog them too hard. Great people stuck in some old school beliefs.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:Go Beavers said:Jason P said:So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ...
Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later. To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term0
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