Multiple Fatalities- Ariana Grande Concert

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Serious question?!?

Where is security?  I go into a concert nowadays and there are wands and metal detectors.  How does a bomb get through?

It went off outside the venue.  

Thank you.  I hadn't heard the update.

So what makes this worse is they stalked this area waiting for people to come out.

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Serious question?!?

Where is security?  I go into a concert nowadays and there are wands and metal detectors.  How does a bomb get through?

It went off outside the venue.  

Thank you.  I hadn't heard the update.

So what makes this worse is they stalked this area waiting for people to come out.

Exactly. 

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Serious question?!?

Where is security?  I go into a concert nowadays and there are wands and metal detectors.  How does a bomb get through?

It went off outside the venue.  

Thank you.  I hadn't heard the update.

So what makes this worse is they stalked this area waiting for people to come out.

Same situation with that shooting at that mcdonalds. They put something on Facebook to lure children/teens. 

Same tactics different senerios. Always the goal is higher death tolls. 

Evil.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

OMGkatwoman

I had seen a news report last night where one of the parents of a concert goer had called in, she stated that it was her daughters 13th birthday and for her gift she wanted nothing more than to go to the concert. It had me thinking back to my very first concert I had attended when I was her age, and how any terror attack (whether lone wolf or otherwise) was not even in anyone's spectrum of the mind... how did society and things ever get to this point is beyond disgusting

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjhawks said:

wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that? 

So wait to be upset?

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

pjhawks

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that? 

So wait to be upset?

where did i say don't be upset?  how about sympathy for the victims and their families first?  when this happens my initial thoughts don't go to the religion of who did this or what the political ramifications are.  clearly that is how some react and frankly i think that reaction is disgusting.   call me crazy or whatever you like for that. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

I think we do give a shit. 

I hated Bush et al more than I've hated anyone in the past two decades. The US response to 9-11 was criminal.

BS would like you to think that this current problem we are experiencing started well before 9-11 and to some degree, he is correct (9-11 happens before any mass invasion) however, since the US invasion of Afghanistan and subsequent invasion of Iraq... it is on with no end in sight.

I can understand Islamic hatred towards the west (US) all things considered. I just disagree with their tactics. 

tbergs

Reports are that it was inside the venue in the foyer. They got past security.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjhawks said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that? 

So wait to be upset?

where did i say don't be upset?  how about sympathy for the victims and their families first?  when this happens my initial thoughts don't go to the religion of who did this or what the political ramifications are.  clearly that is how some react and frankly i think that reaction is disgusting.   call me crazy or whatever you like for that. 

I think I'll call you melodramatic. You're making issues where there really is none.

People have sympathy for the families and victims. That is why they express their 'disgust' for the perpetrators of the act.

Bentleyspop

tbergs said:

Reports are that it was inside the venue in the foyer. They got past security.

The area was called "the foyer" essentially  an open area between the train station and the venue.
No security  to go through  to get to this location.

tbergs

Horrific to know that so many of the victims are children. Fucking monster. Makes me so sad and brings me to tears. Kids probably going to their first music concert and experiencing so much excitement and joy, and then this. I hope there's some special kind of pain and suffering in the great beyond for people like this. I picture Dante's Inferno and hope they're getting 9th circle style pain.

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

tbergs

Bentleyspop said:

tbergs said:

Reports are that it was inside the venue in the foyer. They got past security.

The area was called "the foyer" essentially  an open area between the train station and the venue.
No security  to go through  to get to this location.

Thanks for clarifying. I had thought that but then NBC had a news correspondent mentioning he got past security and was inside.

elvistheking44

What's really scary is that this shit could happen anywhere at anytime. Subway, sporting event, school dismissal, no real way to stop it.  

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

I think we do give a shit. 

I hated Bush et al more than I've hated anyone in the past two decades. The US response to 9-11 was criminal.

BS would like you to think that this current problem we are experiencing started well before 9-11 and to some degree, he is correct (9-11 happens before any mass invasion) however, since the US invasion of Afghanistan and subsequent invasion of Iraq... it is on with no end in sight.

I can understand Islamic hatred towards the west (US) all things considered. I just disagree with their tactics. 

I know many of us here do care, but the population at large really doesn't.
Even those of us who do care, be honest, do you get the same visceral reaction from the headlines?
I don't, even though I'm trying to keep it even.
The way things are reported and presented to us makes a big difference in the reaction we have.

Later, when the photos start circulating, the outrage evens out.  Most people never see the photos of brown children covered in dust and blood, they only see the photos when it's white people.  Fox, CNN, the networks...they are all in the same boat on that, though Fox is always the worst... in every regard.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

Talk about missing a point.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

I think we do give a shit. 

I hated Bush et al more than I've hated anyone in the past two decades. The US response to 9-11 was criminal.

BS would like you to think that this current problem we are experiencing started well before 9-11 and to some degree, he is correct (9-11 happens before any mass invasion) however, since the US invasion of Afghanistan and subsequent invasion of Iraq... it is on with no end in sight.

I can understand Islamic hatred towards the west (US) all things considered. I just disagree with their tactics. 

I know many of us here do care, but the population at large really doesn't.
Even those of us who do care, be honest, do you get the same visceral reaction from the headlines?
I don't, even though I'm trying to keep it even.
The way things are reported and presented to us makes a big difference in the reaction we have.

Later, when the photos start circulating, the outrage evens out.  Most people never see the photos of brown children covered in dust and blood, they only see the photos when it's white people.  Fox, CNN, the networks...they are all in the same boat on that, though Fox is always the worst... in every regard.

Images of brown children dusty, bloodied and dismembered... or washed up on the beach are crushing. There is no difference between the two for myself and I only represent my views around here.

rgambs

You and me both!