Multiple Fatalities- Ariana Grande Concert

pjhawks

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that? 

So wait to be upset?

where did i say don't be upset?  how about sympathy for the victims and their families first?  when this happens my initial thoughts don't go to the religion of who did this or what the political ramifications are.  clearly that is how some react and frankly i think that reaction is disgusting.   call me crazy or whatever you like for that. 

I think I'll call you melodramatic. You're making issues where there really is none.

People have sympathy for the families and victims. That is why they express their 'disgust' for the perpetrators of the act.

maybe i just have a different perspective when these things occur.  When 9/11 occurred I had a great friend who worked close to the area and whose thoughts my mind when to right away. do you have any idea how hard it was to call his wife that day and ask if she had heard from him?   I had another friend whose brother-in-law, a guy i have hung out with some, is a NYC Fireman who ended up going there that day (as did his brother and father) and a guy who i saw a week after the event. when i saw him he had a look that i hope to never see on another human's face. a look of a man who saw evil up close.  it was chilling then and still gives me pause to think about it.  so forgive me for thinking of the people involved for awhile in the aftermath because they are damn more important that what the political ramifications of what happened are.  ok?

mcgruff10

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

You are the one missing the point.

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

You are the one missing the point.

I guess you and thirty can clarify the point I missed. 

tempo_n_groove

Isis statement

http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/23-may-manchester-terror-attack--is-statement-in-english

Calling the West "crusaders" now...

tempo_n_groove

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

Unfortunately this is why this will keep on happening.

I met Iraqi's that still HATED Iranians because they lost a brother, cousin or relative during the war.  They still hold animosity towards the whole country.

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

Isis statement

http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/23-may-manchester-terror-attack--is-statement-in-english

Calling the West "crusaders" now...

And what comes next will be more severe. 

Deep breath.

CM189191

tempo_n_groove said:

Isis statement

http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2017/23-may-manchester-terror-attack--is-statement-in-english

Calling the West "crusaders" now...

ISIS would take credit for it if my toilet backed up

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

You are the one missing the point.

I guess you and thirty can clarify the point I missed. 

We have been through this before. From above:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

Different motivators. And so sporadic (isolated events over the span of three decades) that even if they were spawned from Christianity and the bible... these acts don't compare to the torrid pace Islamic extremists are currently exhibiting.

tbergs

They've released the suspect's name and some background on him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/

mace1229

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

I see this conversation in pretty much every terrorist attack, with the same responses.
I see a difference in that more often Islamic terrorists do this in the name of their religion. Other home terrorists have other motivation (anti-government for one) who happen to be Christian.
Obviously only very few Muslims supports these acts, and there have been some Christians who have committed horrible crimes claiming they were doing God's work. But I think it answers the questions as to why so many jump to the conclusion it was a Muslim terrorists and is viewed differently in the west. What I can't figure out is why so many seem like they defend it? When a guys kills 50 people yelling "Alah Akbar" people still try to say it wasn't related to radical Islam, and bring up McVeigh as a counter. One of the first posts in this thread seemed like an attempt to defend radical islam. In the last 10 years, how many mass murders were motivated by the Christian faith and acting on behalf of a Christian organization (and not just done by a Christian) and how many were done in the name is Islam? I dont think that number is even.

my2hands

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

Unfortunately this is why this will keep on happening.

I met Iraqi's that still HATED Iranians because they lost a brother, cousin or relative during the war.  They still hold animosity towards the whole country.

meanwhile, back in La-La Land North America we sip our latte's and obsess with celebrity while remaining ignorantly bliss to the damage being caused by our ignorance and tax dollars half a world away... for decades now

we meddle in their affairs... we support brutal oppresive leadership when it favors us... we invade their countries... we bomb their neighborhoods and homes... we slaughter innocents by the hundreds of thousands, shrugging it off as collateral damage... we put video cameras in the tip of missiles and show it hitting its target to the world on TV... we gloat about "Shock & Awe" as the missiles rain down... all while we chant U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

these are not excuses for these type of events... but its pretty obvious that we have been an oppressive/destructive force in the region and frankly started this war decades ago, and now they are taking the war to our city streets instead of their own... why should we be shocked?

unsung

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Remember, it s the religion of peace. 

You always miss the point. When a Christian commits an act of terrorism, I'm told it's for other reasons than religion. When a Muslim does, I'm told it's because of their religion. 

Well they generally yell allahu akbar so it kind of takes the guessing a motive out of it.

unsung

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

I disagree with that. Why do you think it's not a religious issue? As far as the terrorists are concerned, however fucked up in their fanatical beliefs, it is very much a religious issue.

my2hands

unsung said:

so if you don't want to arm everyone and ban muslim immigration than your a bad person? lol, got it

brianlux

OMGkatwoman said:

I had seen a news report last night where one of the parents of a concert goer had called in, she stated that it was her daughters 13th birthday and for her gift she wanted nothing more than to go to the concert. It had me thinking back to my very first concert I had attended when I was her age, and how any terror attack (whether lone wolf or otherwise) was not even in anyone's spectrum of the mind... how did society and things ever get to this point is beyond disgusting

It's not easy living at a time when civilizations fall.  First Greece, then Rome, etc., and now the whole deck of cards.  Once they've all fallen, let's just hope this time something better is built from the rubble.

pjhawks

my2hands said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

Yeah, sure.

it's only a religious issue when it's the 'wrong' religion

can someone remind me what Freddie Mercury did?

You don't know what you are talking about. For example:

Breivik was a nationalist who targeted political children because of their party's lenient immigration policies- allowing Muslims Norway citizenship.

McVeigh was anti government.

These people are just as shitty as the brainwashed Islamic idiot that blew up children at the concert last night, but their motivations are not the same. Stop apologizing for Islam- albeit a bastardized form of it.

It is true that there is no group out there that compares to the radical terrorism that's coming out of Muslim regions, but this was a ham handed attempt to point out that there is a definite disparity in the way violence is regarded by the West.
Violence perpetrated by Islamic terrorists is given so much more attention, so much more anger and hatred.
It's fucked up that we bomb and kill their innocent kids and nobody gives a shit, but people lose their minds when much smaller numbers of white people become victims.

Unfortunately this is why this will keep on happening.

I met Iraqi's that still HATED Iranians because they lost a brother, cousin or relative during the war.  They still hold animosity towards the whole country.

meanwhile, back in La-La Land North America we sip our latte's and obsess with celebrity while remaining ignorantly bliss to the damage being caused by our ignorance and tax dollars half a world away... for decades now

we meddle in their affairs... we support brutal oppresive leadership when it favors us... we invade their countries... we bomb their neighborhoods and homes... we slaughter innocents by the hundreds of thousands, shrugging it off as collateral damage... we put video cameras in the tip of missiles and show it hitting its target to the world on TV... we gloat about "Shock & Awe" as the missiles rain down... all while we chant U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

these are not excuses for these type of events... but its pretty obvious that we have been an oppressive/destructive force in the region and frankly started this war decades ago, and now they are taking the war to our city streets instead of their own... why should we be shocked?

i didn't realize England was part of the US.. when did that happen?

CM189191

pjhawks said:

i didn't realize England was part of the US.. when did that happen?

by default, when they left the EU

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

wtf can you some of you people let the bodies be removed from the scene before your start politicizing it or getting on your damn soap box. don't the victims at least deserve that? 

a terrorist bombing is politicized in its execution. how long should we wait before we are allowed to talk about it frankly? should we remove our hats too?

what part of until at least the bodies are removed did you not understand?  i guess i shouldn't be surprised that the same people who don't have enough respect to remove their hat during an anthem don't have enough respect for victims of a tragedy a few hours after the fact. 

I generally don't wear hats except at the beach (balding). But when I'm at a sporting event, I remove my hat during the anthem. Never said I didn't. 

I'm not keeping track of when the bodies were removed, but if I I were, how does talking about the tragedy disrespect the victims in any way, exactly? And how long is the alloted amount of time before we can speak about it? I'm not sure, i was never given the handbook. 

Should world leaders also adhere to this rule? If so, you'd better start writing some letters. 

HughFreakingDillon

josevolution said:

Tragic senseless cowardly act by these animals ! Ok so to all the enough is enough crowd how do you go about stopping these kinds of terrorist acts guess what you can't ...as long as the western world keeps on taking sides in their conflicts this shit ain't stopping and even if we do totally wipe out ISIS a new faction will sprout up !

yep, it's like getting the cat back into the bag. can't happen. this is only going to become more commonplace, and is probably something people are just going to have to be more aware of. 

it's always tragic, but doing it at a concert where you know it's attended by mostly young people and kids; it just boggles the mind how someone can be so evil.