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it was and that is why i admitted that i deserved to be called a di-- above. not one of my finer moments here i admit.HughFreakingDillon said:'a better person than you, obviously' is not a personal attack? then what is, exactly?
until you can answer why people do it, instead of just blindly following customs that affect no one and make little to no sense, keep your attacks to yourself.
it tells a lot about a person if you think you judge a person's character solely on the fact if they take their hat off during a national anthem. jesus christ.
and where did i say I judge character based solely on if they take their hat off? every action leads to how someone is judged especially in that moment. In that moment ,if you do that, I think you are being disrespectful in that moment. that doesn't mean that is your full character. It takes time to fully judge someone and not just one small issue.0 -
Like a lot of you, I wear hats a lot. I don't wear them at work in my office because it's not part of the dress code, but I wouldn't any ways just because I feel like I don't need to wear one. I pretty much wear one anywhere else though and I always remove it for the National Anthem. I've always just done that, but have wondered why we do it? I tend to think of it as a sign of respect to those who gave their lives fighting for our country. But that's just me.
But anyways, last night I went to the park downtown here in Nashville to watch Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals between Nashville and Anaheim since I couldn't get tickets. They had a huge jumbotron set up and (according to estimates from the Fire Marshall) about 7k+ people out in this little area. Since it's a playoff game, they showed the National Anthem on the broadcast and everyone in the park stood up and some men started removing their hats. I thought to myself "ok, so we're doing this huh? Even though we're not at the game?" I went along with it and removed my hat just because why not, it's not difficult to do. I thought it was kinda cool, but also kinda weird. I have no problem doing that at a game that I'm at since I'm there. But we weren't there and then I started wondering if these people stand when they're at home? When I watched the PJ Touring Band DVD about a month ago, I didn't jump up and down in my living room while belting out all the lyrics to the songs. Although, maybe I should have...
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You summed up my exact thinking on this. Great post. Live and let live.F Me In The Brain said:I generally don't tell other people what to do. Sure, with my boys I will direct them but I try not to tell others what to do.
If you don't take your hat off because you want to make some sort of stand, fine. That is your business and it does not impact me nor my family. I really do not care. I laughed at the Sopranos clip but I would not do that to someone.
Do I think people look funny wearing toques around all summer? Inside, especially? Yes, I do.
Does that mean anything to anyone but me? Nope.
Do I tell them they look funny to me? Nope. Why would they care what I think?
"God Bless You" to a sneeze. I agree with you about not believing in God....but it costs me nothing (absolutely nothing) to continue a social standard of showing some sort of communal care by saying those three words to a stranger when they sneeze. Do I tell someone who says it to me when I sneeze that I dont believe in God? No. Do I tell them they might as well be saying "BEGONE SATAN!"? No, although that would make me laugh.
They are being nice to me. Its all good. I tell them 'Thank You' Most people say it, so I try to be nice to them and say it.
It really doesn't matter to me if you choose to say it or not.
I just look at these things as easy ways to have some sort of communal feeling. If you don't choose to take part, I think that is OK. (Again, you really should not care what anyone thinks if you feel so strongly.)
Overall, I think this feeling of having to fight every 'external power' is foreign to me unless you are a teenager. Why cause so much anxiety in life? Who cares? Take your hat off - say excuse me - hold the door for people - smile at people when they approach you - allow someone to go before you in line once in a while. Or don't. Just because I find that smiling and trying to be friendly and social with people is the easiest path for me (regardless of how I feel that day) doesn't mean it is the easiest path for anyone else. I just don't personally understand all of the anger people have over things like these.
Life is too short. The daily losses of people to mindless things tells us this.
Do what you think is right, just don't harm others, and all is good.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
What about the Pledge Of Allegiance?
My wife is a business owner and member of the Lion's Club, and it's a rule that they rise and recite the Pledge to open the meetings. How weird and silly is that? I've always thought the Pledge was weird since early middle school when I learned about the Hitler Youth and similar propaganda systems. I know that the Pledge didn't come about until WW2, so I have always wondered if we straight up stole the idea from the Hitler oaths.
Anyways, she doesn't say it, and nobody has ever said anything to her about it.
They also close the meetings with a "Hear us Roar" chant that is even more juvenile. The doctor she bought her practice from thought it was ridiculous as well.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Hitler actually stole the pledge action created by Bellamy, which was more generic and something he wanted all countries to use. The US later modified the words and added our country and the under god parts. After Hitler started using the hand actions to fit his criteria, the pledge changed to just holding your hand over your heart instead of pointing it outward toward the flag.rgambs said:What about the Pledge Of Allegiance?
My wife is a business owner and member of the Lion's Club, and it's a rule that they rise and recite the Pledge to open the meetings. How weird and silly is that? I've always thought the Pledge was weird since early middle school when I learned about the Hitler Youth and similar propaganda systems. I know that the Pledge didn't come about until WW2, so I have always wondered if we straight up stole the idea from the Hitler oaths.
Anyways, she doesn't say it, and nobody has ever said anything to her about it.
They also close the meetings with a "Hear us Roar" chant that is even more juvenile. The doctor she bought her practice from thought it was ridiculous as well.
I think it's more about tradition with a lot of these organizations. It's based in their history.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Wait -- you don't do this?ponytd said:Like a lot of you, I wear hats a lot. I don't wear them at work in my office because it's not part of the dress code, but I wouldn't any ways just because I feel like I don't need to wear one. I pretty much wear one anywhere else though and I always remove it for the National Anthem. I've always just done that, but have wondered why we do it? I tend to think of it as a sign of respect to those who gave their lives fighting for our country. But that's just me.
But anyways, last night I went to the park downtown here in Nashville to watch Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals between Nashville and Anaheim since I couldn't get tickets. They had a huge jumbotron set up and (according to estimates from the Fire Marshall) about 7k+ people out in this little area. Since it's a playoff game, they showed the National Anthem on the broadcast and everyone in the park stood up and some men started removing their hats. I thought to myself "ok, so we're doing this huh? Even though we're not at the game?" I went along with it and removed my hat just because why not, it's not difficult to do. I thought it was kinda cool, but also kinda weird. I have no problem doing that at a game that I'm at since I'm there. But we weren't there and then I started wondering if these people stand when they're at home? When I watched the PJ Touring Band DVD about a month ago, I didn't jump up and down in my living room while belting out all the lyrics to the songs. Although, maybe I should have...
Now I feel dumb.
Congrats on getting to the finals and for killing those Ducks!
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brianlux said:Metaphorically speaking, true.
Now as for hats...
Yes George?
I see! Well why don't you tell the good folks.
"One of the things they told us was that if a boy or a man went into church, he had to remove his hat in order to honor the presence of God, butthey had already told me that God was everywhere. So I used to wonder, 'Well if God was everywhere, why would you even own a hat?' Why not show your respect, don't even by a hat! And just to confuse things further, they told the women exactly the opposite! Catholic women and girls had to cover their heads, when they went into church. Same as in Jewish temples, men have to cover their heads, in those temples. In those same temples, Jewish women, not allowed to cover their heads. So try to figure this out. Catholic men and Jewish women, no hats. Catholic women and Jewish men, hats. Somebody's got the whole thing totally backwards, don't you think?"
"What is this religious fascination with head gear? Every religion's got a different hat. Did you ever notice that? The Hindus have a turban, the sheiks have a tall white turban, Jews have a yarmulke, Muslims have the keffiyah, the Bishop has a pointy hat on one day and a round hat on another day, Cardinal has a red hat, Pope has a white, everybody's got a hat! One group takes them off, another group puts them on. Personally I would not want to be a member of any group where you either can't where a hat or you have to where a hat."
Thank you, George Carlin
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I don't say it, but if someone says it to me, I thank them, for, as you said, thinking they are being polite to me.F Me In The Brain said:I generally don't tell other people what to do. Sure, with my boys I will direct them but I try not to tell others what to do.
If you don't take your hat off because you want to make some sort of stand, fine. That is your business and it does not impact me nor my family. I really do not care. I laughed at the Sopranos clip but I would not do that to someone.
Do I think people look funny wearing toques around all summer? Inside, especially? Yes, I do.
Does that mean anything to anyone but me? Nope.
Do I tell them they look funny to me? Nope. Why would they care what I think?
"God Bless You" to a sneeze. I agree with you about not believing in God....but it costs me nothing (absolutely nothing) to continue a social standard of showing some sort of communal care by saying those three words to a stranger when they sneeze. Do I tell someone who says it to me when I sneeze that I dont believe in God? No. Do I tell them they might as well be saying "BEGONE SATAN!"? No, although that would make me laugh.
They are being nice to me. Its all good. I tell them 'Thank You' Most people say it, so I try to be nice to them and say it.
It really doesn't matter to me if you choose to say it or not.
I just look at these things as easy ways to have some sort of communal feeling. If you don't choose to take part, I think that is OK. (Again, you really should not care what anyone thinks if you feel so strongly.)
Overall, I think this feeling of having to fight every 'external power' is foreign to me unless you are a teenager. Why cause so much anxiety in life? Who cares? Take your hat off - say excuse me - hold the door for people - smile at people when they approach you - allow someone to go before you in line once in a while. Or don't. Just because I find that smiling and trying to be friendly and social with people is the easiest path for me (regardless of how I feel that day) doesn't mean it is the easiest path for anyone else. I just don't personally understand all of the anger people have over things like these.
Life is too short. The daily losses of people to mindless things tells us this.
Do what you think is right, just don't harm others, and all is good.
I obviously am polite to people, opening doors, smiling, etc and the like, but I have a thing about god. I just do. it's my thing.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
here-pretty clear to me: just offering my opinion that someone who respects the tradition of taking their hat off during the anthem is a better person than someone who doesn't.pjhawks said:it was and that is why i admitted that i deserved to be called a di-- above. not one of my finer moments here i admit.
and where did i say I judge character based solely on if they take their hat off? every action leads to how someone is judged especially in that moment. In that moment ,if you do that, I think you are being disrespectful in that moment. that doesn't mean that is your full character. It takes time to fully judge someone and not just one small issue.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
i'm pretty sure history has clearly shown that blind nationalism/patriotism is a bad and very dangerous thing...0
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And that is 100% your right!HughFreakingDillon said:I don't say it, but if someone says it to me, I thank them, for, as you said, thinking they are being polite to me.
I obviously am polite to people, opening doors, smiling, etc and the like, but I have a thing about god. I just do. it's my thing.
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yes that is literally the only thing i judge someone's character on (Insert eye roll here).HughFreakingDillon said:here-pretty clear to me: just offering my opinion that someone who respects the tradition of taking their hat off during the anthem is a better person than someone who doesn't.
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I think of it along the same lines as being at a nice dinner and not putting the cloth napkin on your lap. It's not an egregious sin or anything to me - someone not taking off their cap during the anthem isn't going to lead to any actual negative consequences. It just makes you look like you don't have any damn manners or respect for the situation. That's up to the individual if they want to come off as someone whose parents didn't teach them any manners... I know I don't want to be one of those people, and I know my parents don't want to be either.
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the words were pretty clear. own them or don't. who cares.pjhawks said:yes that is literally the only thing i judge someone's character on (Insert eye roll here).Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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but this is the point that people are missing: it is considered "rude" or "disrespectful", but NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN WHY. Same thing with elbows on the table. This came up a while back as well. I was about to tell my 10 year old to get her elbows off the table, but before I did, I thought to myself "why? why is that rude? it's really not". I'm guessing it had something to do with hygeine back in farm days or whatever. But it's not really applicable now. Wash your hands (and elbows if necessary) before coming to dinner.PJ_Soul said:I think of it along the same lines as being at a nice dinner and not putting the cloth napkin on your lap. It's not an egregious sin or anything to me - someone not taking off their cap during the anthem isn't going to lead to any actual negative consequences. It just makes you look like you don't have any damn manners or respect for the situation. That's up to the individual if they want to come off as someone whose parents didn't teach them any manners... I know I don't want to be one of those people, and I know my parents don't want to be either.
Someone previously made a great point: do people watching a game at home stand up, take their hat off and/or put their hand/hat on their chests during the anthem. Why/why not? what difference does it make where you are? it's only rude in a crowd or in person? that makes no sense.
a new north american proverb:
if you wear a hat during an anthem and no one's around, is it still rude?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
well clearly you care. as i said 'every action leads to how someone is judged IN THAT MOMENT'. that is how i judge someone IN THAT MOMENT that doesn't take their hat off. yes in that moment the person who takes the hat off is a better person than the person who doesn't. you got it now or do i need to define it even more?HughFreakingDillon said:the words were pretty clear. own them or don't. who cares.
or just read PJ_Souls comment above mine. they said it better than i ever could.0 -
no, I don't care. Just pointing out something that someone said. I went by your original comment, which said nothing about "IN THAT MOMENT" or whatever backpeddling you are doing now. I don't judge anyone as better than anyone else "IN THAT MOMENT". simply because I don't fucking know them.pjhawks said:well clearly you care. as i said 'every action leads to how someone is judged IN THAT MOMENT'. that is how i judge someone IN THAT MOMENT that doesn't take their hat off. yes in that moment the person who takes the hat off is a better person than the person who doesn't. you got it now or do i need to define it even more?
or just read PJ_Souls comment above mine. they said it better than i ever could.
either way, moving on.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I also don't bow my head during grace/prayer, whether in a church or someone's house. sue me. My knight of columbus father in law respects my choice, so I figure anyone else can too. Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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