Please rise and remove your caps

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

After games, the kids 'fist bump' now which makes much more sense.

* Side note: my iPad is making some crazy autocorrects. If I don't triple check... I'd come across as a lunatic at times.

That does make good sense, I'll bet there's some grumps out there that hate it though lol

The tradition is to honour your opponent. Not shaking hands is disrespectful. What? You can't even shake my hand? You don't think I'm good enough to shake my hand? Horrible humanness being.

* I left that stupid autocorrect in there to show what my stupid iPad is doing. Humanness? Wtf?

Yeah, it also showed you weren't armed and trusted someone.  I get it, but it's become overused and it's just not sanitary lol

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

After games, the kids 'fist bump' now which makes much more sense.

* Side note: my iPad is making some crazy autocorrects. If I don't triple check... I'd come across as a lunatic at times.

That does make good sense, I'll bet there's some grumps out there that hate it though lol

The tradition is to honour your opponent. Not shaking hands is disrespectful. What? You can't even shake my hand? You don't think I'm good enough to shake my hand? Horrible humanness being.

* I left that stupid autocorrect in there to show what my stupid iPad is doing. Humanness? Wtf?

Yeah, it also showed you weren't armed and trusted someone.  I get it, but it's become overused and it's just not sanitary lol

I was taking a leak in a public washroom. I saw some shoes and pants on top of the shoes underneath the stall door. The toilet flushed and some dude exited the stall, walked past the sinks, grabbed the door handle and left.

Every person that grabbed that door handle afterwards had shit on their hands. I know this because it is with 100% certainty you will have feces on your hands if you don't wash them after wiping your ass.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

What makes elbows on the table rude?
Why open a car door for a lady?  Is she incapable? Is it an inconvenience?  Is there a reason at all?

It makes you look like an ogre that has to support yourself at a feeding trough. Just like those people who use their utensils like a shovel and hold them using an overhand grip.

A gentleman never tells his secrets, he is just one.

Haha that's just nonsense, elbows on a feeding trough would keep you from getting low enough to get your slop on!

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

You in no way, shape or form probably deserved to be called one. 

No, he didn't.  I didn't really literally mean pjhawks is a dick of a person, but that's the way it came out and I apologize. 

Let's stick to the topic, I am with Mr Drake in the respect that if I am wearing a hat I tend to leave it on unless I have a good reason to take it off.
I'm not doffing my hat at the casual Italian place, but I won't be wearing it to a funeral of course.

If Tony Soprano is at that casual Italian place... you won't be wearing your herb logo hat. Did you learn nothing from that video?

mcgruff10 said:

I hold the door open for women and take off my hat at a restaurant. (Being from New Jersey a tony saprano type person could show up at any time). Am I terrible person? 

I would say you are more a cross of a poindexter and oooh... say... Barney off the Simpsons.

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

the cap is supposed to go over the heart.  it's a sign of respect and love for those who fought for your freedom. don't be a dick. remove your hat and put it over your heart during the anthem.

But why is it a sign of respect? Who deemed it as such? For those who fought for our freedoms - what does that have anything to do with a hat?  What about a foreigner visiting and catching a game? No one here fought for his freedom. Why do we just blindly follow this "tradition" without questioning its validity and application to modern times?

better people than you apparently.  any other common courtesy you want to piss on too?  not into saying please and thank you or hold the door for a woman? are you against happy birthdays and giving gifts too?  how about saying I love you? want to question who deemed that appropriate? any others?

No need for personal attacks, man.  I'm not pissing on anything, just asking questions. That's what people do when they don't understand things and want to learn of their origins and reasons.  I don't see how not taking a hat off is a sign of disrespect to ANYTHING, moreover to those who fought for my freedoms.  And the only reason anyone has is "because that's the way it is."

not attacking just offering my opinion that someone who respects the tradition of taking their hat off during the anthem is a better person than someone who doesn't.

'a better person than you, obviously' is not a personal attack? then what is, exactly?

until you can answer why people do it, instead of just blindly following customs that affect no one and make little to no sense, keep your attacks to yourself. 

it tells a lot about a person if you think you judge a person's character solely on the fact if they take their hat off during a national anthem. jesus christ. 

ledvedderman said:

I saw some talk on the Flag Code earlier as the standard for protocol on how to address the flag. What I don't get is how clear the code is that the flag shouldn't adorn clothing and many other examples where our country has a flag boner. How do you guys view that?

I try not to view flag boners. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Why do people say God Bless You when you sneeze?  (Actually I have looked this up...just think it is similar.)
I dont believe in God, but I say this to people.  Why?  Because it is customary and a symbol or caring and respect.
If someone says it is a sign of respect for those who serve(d) that is good enough for me. 

I love that Sopranos clip.

My pops fined anyone wearing a hat inside his house (who had been told before he didn't want hats worn by men inside) a dollar.  My friends all used to laugh.  My brother and I paid many a dollar over the years.
I will wear my hat in my house.  If I go into someone else's house I take it off. 
I always take off my hat when eating indoors.  If I am eating on the patio, I will keep it on.  (Being a mostly bald fuck, the hat is for a purpose outside.  I also will keep my shades on, if needed, while eating outside.)

i started a thread a while back about how i don't say god bless you, since i think it's so fucking stupid that sneezing somehow shoves your soul back into your body. man, did it start off a firestorm of how disrespectful and rude i was for not just 'sucking it up' and doing 'what's right', meanwhile, not one fucking person could explain to me the significance of why such a stupid custom exists. i don't believe in god, so i'm not blessing you for blowing snot into your hand. 

the hat thing is equally as dumb. this was also addressed in another thread a while back, and thirty is correct, the best i can research was taht i found it started with knights removing their helmets when their superior appeared, most likely so the superior knew who they were and to make sure he could trust everyone. 

now we take it off so roseanne can wail the national anthem and grab her crotch. sign of respect indeed. 

I generally don't tell other people what to do.  Sure, with my boys I will direct them but I try not to tell others what to do.
If you don't take your hat off because you want to make some sort of stand, fine.  That is your business and it does not impact me nor my family.  I really do not care.  I laughed at the Sopranos clip but I would not do that to someone.
Do I think people look funny wearing toques around all summer?  Inside, especially?  Yes, I do. 
Does that mean anything to anyone but me?  Nope. 
Do I tell them they look funny to me?  Nope.  Why would they care what I think?

"God Bless You" to a sneeze.  I agree with you about not believing in God....but it costs me nothing (absolutely nothing) to continue a social standard of showing some sort of communal care by saying those three words to a stranger when they sneeze.  Do I tell someone who says it to me when I sneeze that I dont believe in God?  No.  Do I tell them they might as well be saying "BEGONE SATAN!"?  No, although that would make me laugh.
They are being nice to me.  Its all good.  I tell them 'Thank You'  Most people say it, so I try to be nice to them and say it. 
It really doesn't matter to me if you choose to say it or not.

I just look at these things as easy ways to have some sort of communal feeling.  If you don't choose to take part, I think that is OK.  (Again, you really should not care what anyone thinks if you feel so strongly.)

Overall, I think this feeling of having to fight every 'external power' is foreign to me unless you are a teenager.  Why cause so much anxiety in life?  Who cares?  Take your hat off - say excuse me - hold the door for people - smile at people when they approach you - allow someone to go before you in line once in a while.  Or don't.  Just because I find that smiling and trying to be friendly and social with people is the easiest path for me (regardless of how I feel that day) doesn't mean it is the easiest path for anyone else.  I just don't personally understand all of the anger people have over things like these.
Life is too short.  The daily losses of people to mindless things tells us this. 
Do what you think is right, just don't harm others, and all is good.