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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Well...

    Garland got his ass kicked last night in jail and was rushed to the hospital.

    Looks like we didn't bend over backwards to ensure he has a smooth ride.

    Came here to post this. Prison in Canada isn't as wonderful as some make it out to be.
    For some, considering their offences, I'd beg to differ. For others, I'd agree. I don't feel an ounce of pity for Garland. If he took one of those beatings on a daily basis... I wouldn't give a shit. He tortured and murdered two grandparents and their 5 year old grandson.

    I am going to recommend two books by the same author for first hand prison experiences: Go Boy and Bingo (Roger Caron). Bingo was an account of the Kingston Penitentiary Riot.
    I've been meaning to read Go Boy for years. Haven't gotten around to it. It joins the ever growing list of books that need reading.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    "Anti-Islamophobia" motion passed by House of Commons. Thoughts? I personally think there is indeed a bit of a problem with the language and the specific focus on Islam. Seems overly specific. I get it. I'm not offended. I just think it's weird and yes indeed, could lend itself to "over-persecution" in terms of freedom of speech. However, I'm not bent out of shape about it. I think people who REALLY seem pissed about this motion are basically xenophobes, TBH. And look at the voting stats mentioned in the article. Interesting.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m-103-islamophobia-motion-vote-1.4038016?cid=
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    "Anti-Islamophobia" motion passed by House of Commons. Thoughts? I personally think there is indeed a bit of a problem with the language and the specific focus on Islam. Seems overly specific. I get it. I'm not offended. I just think it's weird and yes indeed, could lend itself to "over-persecution" in terms of freedom of speech. However, I'm not bent out of shape about it. I think people who REALLY seem pissed about this motion are basically xenophobes, TBH. And look at the voting stats mentioned in the article. Interesting.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m-103-islamophobia-motion-vote-1.4038016?cid=

    Freedom of speech like this? ""O Muslim, O servant of Allah, O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." I would want to persecute this individual for hate speech myself. Is that xenophobic thinking?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited March 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    "Anti-Islamophobia" motion passed by House of Commons. Thoughts? I personally think there is indeed a bit of a problem with the language and the specific focus on Islam. Seems overly specific. I get it. I'm not offended. I just think it's weird and yes indeed, could lend itself to "over-persecution" in terms of freedom of speech. However, I'm not bent out of shape about it. I think people who REALLY seem pissed about this motion are basically xenophobes, TBH. And look at the voting stats mentioned in the article. Interesting.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m-103-islamophobia-motion-vote-1.4038016?cid=

    Freedom of speech like this? ""O Muslim, O servant of Allah, O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." I would want to persecute this individual for hate speech myself. Is that xenophobic thinking?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397
    Nope, not like that (and why the apparent need to reply with aggression right now?).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited March 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?

    I believe in persecuting hate speech, yes. I feel like incitement of hate, radicalization, or violence deserves prison time (or immediate deportation and a lifetime ban on reentering the country if the person isn't a citizen, although that is a tough subject. Deport them so they are free to recruit and shit, or impactful prison time in Canada (i.e. 10+ years) .... I figure prison time makes more sense in the long run, despite the sting of the prison bills).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?

    I believe in persecuting hate speech, yes. I feel like incitement of hate, radicalization, or violence deserves prison time (or immediate deportation and a lifetime ban on reentering the country if the person isn't a citizen, although that is a tough subject. Deport them so they are free to recruit and shit, or impactful prison time in Canada (i.e. 10+ years) .... I figure prison time makes more sense in the long run, despite the sting of the prison bills).
    Should any of this happen to this guy?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I'm hoping we actually mean prosecute and not persecute.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited March 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?

    I believe in persecuting hate speech, yes. I feel like incitement of hate, radicalization, or violence deserves prison time (or immediate deportation and a lifetime ban on reentering the country if the person isn't a citizen, although that is a tough subject. Deport them so they are free to recruit and shit, or impactful prison time in Canada (i.e. 10+ years) .... I figure prison time makes more sense in the long run, despite the sting of the prison bills).
    Should any of this happen to this guy?
    Is he even still in Canada? He was just visiting from Jordan back in December, so I think the question is moot ... Certainly, any Imam (or anyone else) who incites hate and/or violence should not be allowed in Canada in the first place, but if they come to Canada and commit hate crimes (or any crime), yeah, they should be arrested and tried IMO. And I feel like law enforcement is REALLY slow when it comes to hate crimes. They are too hesitant just to call a hate crime a hate crime most of the time, even when it's a violent attack, let alone hate speech. I don't expect the authorities to really ever act fast enough or seriously enough for those who spread hate propaganda to have anything happen to them, especially not if they are visiting from another country. By the time the police have decided to file charges, the person will be long gone if they have half a brain.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    oftenreading said:

    I'm hoping we actually mean prosecute and not persecute.

    Haha. Prosecute, I'm assuming! ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?

    I believe in persecuting hate speech, yes. I feel like incitement of hate, radicalization, or violence deserves prison time (or immediate deportation and a lifetime ban on reentering the country if the person isn't a citizen, although that is a tough subject. Deport them so they are free to recruit and shit, or impactful prison time in Canada (i.e. 10+ years) .... I figure prison time makes more sense in the long run, despite the sting of the prison bills).
    Should any of this happen to this guy?
    Is he even still in Canada? He was just visiting from Jordan back in December, so I think the question is moot ... Certainly, any Imam (or anyone else) who incites hate and/or violence should not be allowed in Canada in the first place, but if they come to Canada and commit hate crimes (or any crime), yeah, they should be arrested and tried IMO. And I feel like law enforcement is REALLY slow when it comes to hate crimes. They are too hesitant just to call a hate crime a hate crime most of the time, even when it's a violent attack, let alone hate speech. I don't expect the authorities to really ever act fast enough or seriously enough for those who spread hate propaganda to have anything happen to them, especially not if they are visiting from another country. By the time the police have decided to file charges, the person will be long gone if they have half a brain.
    Should the guy who invited him to speak be questioned or monitored now?
    If no, why?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    It's not aggression. I'm just pointing out what our CBC is reporting 2days or so before this law was passed.
    Do you think it would be wrong to persecute this individual for what he said?
    If yes, why?

    I believe in persecuting hate speech, yes. I feel like incitement of hate, radicalization, or violence deserves prison time (or immediate deportation and a lifetime ban on reentering the country if the person isn't a citizen, although that is a tough subject. Deport them so they are free to recruit and shit, or impactful prison time in Canada (i.e. 10+ years) .... I figure prison time makes more sense in the long run, despite the sting of the prison bills).
    Should any of this happen to this guy?
    Is he even still in Canada? He was just visiting from Jordan back in December, so I think the question is moot ... Certainly, any Imam (or anyone else) who incites hate and/or violence should not be allowed in Canada in the first place, but if they come to Canada and commit hate crimes (or any crime), yeah, they should be arrested and tried IMO. And I feel like law enforcement is REALLY slow when it comes to hate crimes. They are too hesitant just to call a hate crime a hate crime most of the time, even when it's a violent attack, let alone hate speech. I don't expect the authorities to really ever act fast enough or seriously enough for those who spread hate propaganda to have anything happen to them, especially not if they are visiting from another country. By the time the police have decided to file charges, the person will be long gone if they have half a brain.
    Should the guy who invited him to speak be questioned or monitored now?
    If no, why?
    The mosque should be and is being investigated.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    Someone is spying on cell phones around Canada's Parliament buildings.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/imsi-cellphones-spying-ottawa-1.4050049?cid=

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited April 2017
    RCMP admits secretly surveilling cell phones (haven't researched this enough to know if I'm cool with it or not; if used responsibly and legally, I guess it might be fine and good for fighting crime), but they aren't the ones doing it around Parliament in Ottawa. So it seems someone else (foreign entities?) are spying on cell phones in and around Parliament.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-surveillance-imsi-catcher-mdi-stingray-cellphone-1.4056750?cid=
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    RCMP admits secretly surveilling cell phones (haven't researched this enough to know if I'm cool with it or not; if used responsibly and legally, I guess it might be fine and good for fighting crime), but they aren't the ones doing it around Parliament in Ottawa. So it seems someone else (foreign entities?) are spying on cell phones in and around Parliament.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-surveillance-imsi-catcher-mdi-stingray-cellphone-1.4056750?cid=

    you shouldn't be cool with it ... it's one thing to have a specific case that warrants that action but it's another when at any given time your privacy and rights are breached ...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    RCMP admits secretly surveilling cell phones (haven't researched this enough to know if I'm cool with it or not; if used responsibly and legally, I guess it might be fine and good for fighting crime), but they aren't the ones doing it around Parliament in Ottawa. So it seems someone else (foreign entities?) are spying on cell phones in and around Parliament.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-surveillance-imsi-catcher-mdi-stingray-cellphone-1.4056750?cid=

    you shouldn't be cool with it ... it's one thing to have a specific case that warrants that action but it's another when at any given time your privacy and rights are breached ...
    yeah, I've got nothing to hide, but not a big fan of this.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited April 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    RCMP admits secretly surveilling cell phones (haven't researched this enough to know if I'm cool with it or not; if used responsibly and legally, I guess it might be fine and good for fighting crime), but they aren't the ones doing it around Parliament in Ottawa. So it seems someone else (foreign entities?) are spying on cell phones in and around Parliament.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-surveillance-imsi-catcher-mdi-stingray-cellphone-1.4056750?cid=

    you shouldn't be cool with it ... it's one thing to have a specific case that warrants that action but it's another when at any given time your privacy and rights are breached ...
    yeah, I've got nothing to hide, but not a big fan of this.
    All I'm saying is that I don't know enough about the specifics to really form an opinion.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    RCMP admits secretly surveilling cell phones (haven't researched this enough to know if I'm cool with it or not; if used responsibly and legally, I guess it might be fine and good for fighting crime), but they aren't the ones doing it around Parliament in Ottawa. So it seems someone else (foreign entities?) are spying on cell phones in and around Parliament.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-surveillance-imsi-catcher-mdi-stingray-cellphone-1.4056750?cid=

    you shouldn't be cool with it ... it's one thing to have a specific case that warrants that action but it's another when at any given time your privacy and rights are breached ...
    yeah, I've got nothing to hide, but not a big fan of this.
    All I'm saying is that I don't know enough about the specifics to really form an opinion.
    fair enough
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I'm confident in my own belief that we as ordinary citizens are not being surveilled on our cell phones just because they can.
    If this were a common way of thinking no one would own a cell phone.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited April 2017
    Legalization plan coming Thursday!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marijuana-legalization-plan-comes-out-thursday-1.4061517?cid=
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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