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Idiots trip all over themselves to release people such as this so they can pat each other on the back and say, "What good people we are!"rustneversleeps said:
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
There is obviously a risk. There's more of a risk associated with the prick I submitted earlier. The same do-gooders that eagerly worked to free Li are in Schoenborn's corner as well. Just as I easily predicted a release for Li... this scumbag will get one too. And the general public will have to sit there as advocates smugly smoke their pipes and tell themselves how everybody is so lucky to have them."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
He will be monitored by the civil mental health services, fairly strictly. The review board decisions are based assessing the many factors that go in to elevating or reducing potential risk to the public. Although of course I wasn't there at the hearing, I know that the RB would only have been able to come to the conclusion that he didn't post of significant risk if there was a very tight plan in place that handed over management to another service and that Li/Baker was already involved with.rustneversleeps said:
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
"Fixed" - no one is ever fixed. It's a question of managing the illness. Many, many people successfully manage it.
And yes, the RB has to grant an absolute discharge if it isn't proven that the individual continues to pose a significant risk. The bare bones fact the the index offence occurred can't be used as proof of ongoing risk, and if you think of that, it's obvious, because if it did then no one would ever get an absolute discharge. The RB absolutely looks at the seriousness of the index offence; that can't be used as the only factor, but clearly they are particularly diligent when looking at a very serious offence. They also look at how engaged the person is in their treatment, how much insight they have into their illness, how much of a symptomatic response they have had, whether they engage in behaviours that put their recovery at risk (like drinking, using drugs, etc.), whether they have factors that contribute to stability (like housing, social supports, structure in their lives with work, school, etc.), whether there are other conditions that might affect their recovery like other medical issues or personality problems.
With Li/Baker, it's a crystal clear example of an instance when a medical condition caused someone to commit a heinous act. Now the medical condition has been successfully treated. If an individual had been driving and had a heart attack and plowed into a group of pedestrians, killing several, that person wouldn't have even had any charges. We tend to view people with mental illness incredibly harshly, and then act surprised when people don't want to seek treatment.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I don't personally know anyone in the mental health system that smokes a pipe, but keep up with your own fantasies, Thirty. And you forgot to add in the lattes.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Idiots trip all over themselves to release people such as this so they can pat each other on the back and say, "What good people we are!"rustneversleeps said:
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
There is obviously a risk. There's more of a risk associated with the prick I submitted earlier. The same do-gooders that eagerly worked to free Li are in Schoenborn's corner as well. Just as I easily predicted a release for Li... this scumbag will get one too. And the general public will have to sit there as advocates smugly smoke their pipes and tell themselves how everybody is so lucky to have them.
For the record, and as I've said before, I also have concern about the Schoenborn case.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Just keeping you on your toes!oftenreading said:
I don't personally know anyone in the mental health system that smokes a pipe, but keep up with your own fantasies, Thirty. And you forgot to add in the lattes.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Idiots trip all over themselves to release people such as this so they can pat each other on the back and say, "What good people we are!"rustneversleeps said:
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
There is obviously a risk. There's more of a risk associated with the prick I submitted earlier. The same do-gooders that eagerly worked to free Li are in Schoenborn's corner as well. Just as I easily predicted a release for Li... this scumbag will get one too. And the general public will have to sit there as advocates smugly smoke their pipes and tell themselves how everybody is so lucky to have them.
For the record, and as I've said before, I also have concern about the Schoenborn case."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
My toes are just fine. They're about to help me hop on my bike for a Sunday ride. Maybe I'll stop for a latte.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Just keeping you on your toes!oftenreading said:
I don't personally know anyone in the mental health system that smokes a pipe, but keep up with your own fantasies, Thirty. And you forgot to add in the lattes.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Idiots trip all over themselves to release people such as this so they can pat each other on the back and say, "What good people we are!"rustneversleeps said:
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
There is obviously a risk. There's more of a risk associated with the prick I submitted earlier. The same do-gooders that eagerly worked to free Li are in Schoenborn's corner as well. Just as I easily predicted a release for Li... this scumbag will get one too. And the general public will have to sit there as advocates smugly smoke their pipes and tell themselves how everybody is so lucky to have them.
For the record, and as I've said before, I also have concern about the Schoenborn case.
Enjoy your Sunday, too.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I liked "Mordor-on-the-Potomac".PJfanwillneverleave1 said:This is funny.
TB may even laugh a little.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/12/justins-big-date
Just read another article in which Trump was referred to as "Dondemort".my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Happy Family Day holiday for those of you in BC and whichever other provinces celebrate it today (I know many provinces celebrate next Monday). Long weekend in February - yeah!my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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livestream of Trudeau/Trump meeting today.
http://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/live-blog/trump-trudeau#/0 -
I found this interesting about SK. I didn't know this. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-rcmp-border-crossings-1.3980937
One reason why Saskatchewan is not experiencing a similar surge is because it does not offer legal aid to refugee claimants.
"If someone is making a refugee claim in Saskatchewan they have to spend their own money from their own private funds to hire a lawyer and they simply do not have any money," Bashir Khan, an immigration and refugee lawyer in Winnipeg, told CBC News last week.
HFD what do you think of the latest unfolding in your province lately?
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Nice work PM
The White House has assured Canada that former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin will not be appointed as U.S. ambassador to Canada.
A Trudeau government official says that assurance was provided to Canadian officials during Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s visit to the White House on Monday.
“It isn’t Sarah Palin,” the official said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-wont-be-named-us-ambassador-to-canada-official/article34012591/
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He's winning you over, eh?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Nice work PM
The White House has assured Canada that former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin will not be appointed as U.S. ambassador to Canada.
A Trudeau government official says that assurance was provided to Canadian officials during Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s visit to the White House on Monday.
“It isn’t Sarah Palin,” the official said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-wont-be-named-us-ambassador-to-canada-official/article34012591/"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Garland sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole for 75 years for his triple murder.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/douglas-garland-sentenced-to-75-years-in-prison-before-parole/article34072135/
Seems a perfectly appropriate sentence to me. The public is protected from a guy who is apparently so unhinged that he nursed a grudge over a business deal into the murder of three people, including a child. Those pro-DP would likely prefer the DP, but setting that aside, what do you say about this one, particularly Thirty? No lattes and hugs from the court here.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I know of the case. He killed grandparents and a five year old right? He deserves worse. For what he could receive... I guess we should be satisfied. If I'm the dad... I think I'd be disappointed. I'd kinda want to smash his face in. F**king loser.oftenreading said:Garland sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole for 75 years for his triple murder.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/douglas-garland-sentenced-to-75-years-in-prison-before-parole/article34072135/
Seems a perfectly appropriate sentence to me. The public is protected from a guy who is apparently so unhinged that he nursed a grudge over a business deal into the murder of three people, including a child. Those pro-DP would likely prefer the DP, but setting that aside, what do you say about this one, particularly Thirty? No lattes and hugs from the court here.
Watch the protection and 'extra' servicing we afford him so he has a safe and comfortable 75 years. Let's not be too quick to puff our chests out and act like we're tough on crime."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Speaking of points for persistence.....Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I know of the case. He killed grandparents and a five year old right? He deserves worse. For what he could receive... I guess we should be satisfied. If I'm the dad... I think I'd be disappointed. I'd kinda want to smash his face in. F**king loser.oftenreading said:Garland sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole for 75 years for his triple murder.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/douglas-garland-sentenced-to-75-years-in-prison-before-parole/article34072135/
Seems a perfectly appropriate sentence to me. The public is protected from a guy who is apparently so unhinged that he nursed a grudge over a business deal into the murder of three people, including a child. Those pro-DP would likely prefer the DP, but setting that aside, what do you say about this one, particularly Thirty? No lattes and hugs from the court here.
Watch the protection and 'extra' servicing we afford him so he has a safe and comfortable 75 years. Let's not be too quick to puff our chests out and act like we're tough on crime.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Loloftenreading said:
Speaking of points for persistence.....Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I know of the case. He killed grandparents and a five year old right? He deserves worse. For what he could receive... I guess we should be satisfied. If I'm the dad... I think I'd be disappointed. I'd kinda want to smash his face in. F**king loser.oftenreading said:Garland sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole for 75 years for his triple murder.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/douglas-garland-sentenced-to-75-years-in-prison-before-parole/article34072135/
Seems a perfectly appropriate sentence to me. The public is protected from a guy who is apparently so unhinged that he nursed a grudge over a business deal into the murder of three people, including a child. Those pro-DP would likely prefer the DP, but setting that aside, what do you say about this one, particularly Thirty? No lattes and hugs from the court here.
Watch the protection and 'extra' servicing we afford him so he has a safe and comfortable 75 years. Let's not be too quick to puff our chests out and act like we're tough on crime.
It's a commitment to my value set, Often! It's hard work, but I'm up for the task."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Well...
Garland got his ass kicked last night in jail and was rushed to the hospital.
Looks like we didn't bend over backwards to ensure he has a smooth ride."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Came here to post this. Prison in Canada isn't as wonderful as some make it out to be.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Well...
Garland got his ass kicked last night in jail and was rushed to the hospital.
Looks like we didn't bend over backwards to ensure he has a smooth ride.0 -
For some, considering their offences, I'd beg to differ. For others, I'd agree. I don't feel an ounce of pity for Garland. If he took one of those beatings on a daily basis... I wouldn't give a shit. He tortured and murdered two grandparents and their 5 year old grandson.dignin said:
Came here to post this. Prison in Canada isn't as wonderful as some make it out to be.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Well...
Garland got his ass kicked last night in jail and was rushed to the hospital.
Looks like we didn't bend over backwards to ensure he has a smooth ride.
I am going to recommend two books by the same author for first hand prison experiences: Go Boy and Bingo (Roger Caron). Bingo was an account of the Kingston Penitentiary Riot."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
^^^
I just wish the press doesn't keep bringing up this thing called a person everytime something happens.
Shame on the press. This scum is to be forgotten. The sentence couldn't be any more clear.0
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