Heart broken

my2hands · March 2017

tbergs said:

my2hands said:
and NO
NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

thispureamericanriot said:
So guessing the earliest we could get a new PJ is 2018, that means 5 years in between albums (or longer). That would be the longest wait of their career.
25+ years in... an album every 5 years is probably best case scenario
25 years in neil released Ragged Glory...just saying
I didn't say they couldn't make great records... i just don't expect them very often any more, unfortunately
I hear ya, and I know he's a tough one to compare to. Someone mentioned earlier that the band has become more Stones than Neil, and I was thinking the same thing myself.
At a certain point the Stones found a formula and they have just been repeating it for around 40 years at this point, with less and less time spent on new music and more spent on tours in larger and larger venues. THis sounds much more like PJ than Neil, who releases an album every year that sounds nothing like the album before it, who will play in either arenas or small venues, and is still taking chances at age 71. When was the last time PJ took major chances? They were barely even political last election cycle, and I'm wondering if it was because they didn't want to turn people off. The fact that Trump was mentioned only in passing at Wrigley let me know that the band is a lot different than it used to be.
All that being said, I still enjoy Lightening Bolt overall (more than Backspacer), and hope they can get something going sometime in the next 2 years...
I think this is spot on... I fully expect the next US tour to be a stadium tour

definitely more Rolling Stones than Neil at this point...

Blasphemy! The over-reaction is getting out of control. They have toured somewhere every year since 2008 people. They may not have been extensive tours, but they toured. They can take this whole year off, enjoy their induction as a band and dabble in their side projects. They played two stadiums that make a lot of sense last year. They are not going to become a stadium act. Everyone just chill out.

why is that over reaction or getting out of control?

they are an iconic band and will most definitely be doing stadium tours in their future... that's the natural progression... that doesn't mean they wont play arena tours in the future, but I definitely expect stadium tours, which are very common now by the way... they played Strangest Tribe & Angel at Fenway last year, two of the quietest songs in their catalog... I feel they wanted to see how that went, and it went well, so now they fell they can take their show into larger stadiums and pull it off without having to stick only to the arena cock rock from Ten

the band is in cruise control for the next 20 years whether people like it or not... and we would all do the same thing... thankfully I live in the northeast so I can see them easily

HughFreakingDillon · March 2017

my2hands said:

tbergs said:

my2hands said:
and NO
NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

thispureamericanriot said:
So guessing the earliest we could get a new PJ is 2018, that means 5 years in between albums (or longer). That would be the longest wait of their career.
25+ years in... an album every 5 years is probably best case scenario
25 years in neil released Ragged Glory...just saying
I didn't say they couldn't make great records... i just don't expect them very often any more, unfortunately
I hear ya, and I know he's a tough one to compare to. Someone mentioned earlier that the band has become more Stones than Neil, and I was thinking the same thing myself.
At a certain point the Stones found a formula and they have just been repeating it for around 40 years at this point, with less and less time spent on new music and more spent on tours in larger and larger venues. THis sounds much more like PJ than Neil, who releases an album every year that sounds nothing like the album before it, who will play in either arenas or small venues, and is still taking chances at age 71. When was the last time PJ took major chances? They were barely even political last election cycle, and I'm wondering if it was because they didn't want to turn people off. The fact that Trump was mentioned only in passing at Wrigley let me know that the band is a lot different than it used to be.
All that being said, I still enjoy Lightening Bolt overall (more than Backspacer), and hope they can get something going sometime in the next 2 years...
I think this is spot on... I fully expect the next US tour to be a stadium tour

definitely more Rolling Stones than Neil at this point...

Blasphemy! The over-reaction is getting out of control. They have toured somewhere every year since 2008 people. They may not have been extensive tours, but they toured. They can take this whole year off, enjoy their induction as a band and dabble in their side projects. They played two stadiums that make a lot of sense last year. They are not going to become a stadium act. Everyone just chill out.
why is that over reaction or getting out of control?

they are an iconic band and will most definitely be doing stadium tours in their future... that's the natural progression... that doesn't mean they wont play arena tours in the future, but I definitely expect stadium tours, which are very common now by the way... they played Strangest Tribe & Angel at Fenway last year, two of the quietest songs in their catalog... I feel they wanted to see how that went, and it went well, so now they fell they can take their show into larger stadiums and pull it off without having to stick only to the arena cock rock from Ten

the band is in cruise control for the next 20 years whether people like it or not... and we would all do the same thing... thankfully I live in the northeast so I can see them easily

I don't call a high energy 3 hour show cruise control.

SmallestOceans · March 2017

https://youtu.be/UgAFcvIw8J4

HesCalledDyer · March 2017

deadendp said:

Precisely.

my2hands · March 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:

tbergs said:

my2hands said:
and NO
NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

thispureamericanriot said:
So guessing the earliest we could get a new PJ is 2018, that means 5 years in between albums (or longer). That would be the longest wait of their career.
25+ years in... an album every 5 years is probably best case scenario
25 years in neil released Ragged Glory...just saying
I didn't say they couldn't make great records... i just don't expect them very often any more, unfortunately
I hear ya, and I know he's a tough one to compare to. Someone mentioned earlier that the band has become more Stones than Neil, and I was thinking the same thing myself.
At a certain point the Stones found a formula and they have just been repeating it for around 40 years at this point, with less and less time spent on new music and more spent on tours in larger and larger venues. THis sounds much more like PJ than Neil, who releases an album every year that sounds nothing like the album before it, who will play in either arenas or small venues, and is still taking chances at age 71. When was the last time PJ took major chances? They were barely even political last election cycle, and I'm wondering if it was because they didn't want to turn people off. The fact that Trump was mentioned only in passing at Wrigley let me know that the band is a lot different than it used to be.
All that being said, I still enjoy Lightening Bolt overall (more than Backspacer), and hope they can get something going sometime in the next 2 years...
I think this is spot on... I fully expect the next US tour to be a stadium tour

definitely more Rolling Stones than Neil at this point...

Blasphemy! The over-reaction is getting out of control. They have toured somewhere every year since 2008 people. They may not have been extensive tours, but they toured. They can take this whole year off, enjoy their induction as a band and dabble in their side projects. They played two stadiums that make a lot of sense last year. They are not going to become a stadium act. Everyone just chill out.
why is that over reaction or getting out of control?

they are an iconic band and will most definitely be doing stadium tours in their future... that's the natural progression... that doesn't mean they wont play arena tours in the future, but I definitely expect stadium tours, which are very common now by the way... they played Strangest Tribe & Angel at Fenway last year, two of the quietest songs in their catalog... I feel they wanted to see how that went, and it went well, so now they fell they can take their show into larger stadiums and pull it off without having to stick only to the arena cock rock from Ten

the band is in cruise control for the next 20 years whether people like it or not... and we would all do the same thing... thankfully I live in the northeast so I can see them easily
I don't call a high energy 3 hour show cruise control.

Cruise control career wise... i didn't say anything about the quality of their live shows, more the quantity

my2hands · March 2017

Why are people so upset with what's obvious?

Merkin Baller · March 2017

my2hands said:
Why are people so upset with what's obvious?

Idk, it's a weird thing to get upset over,

I'm all in favor of them taking a break if it will mean a better product in the long run.

& if it doesn't? Oh well, it's their lives, their band. The rest of us are just along for the ride.

drakeheuer14 · March 2017

I feel like with a year off we will see some higher quality-big ticket merch items to keep money coming in. Wrigley, double vault year, or PJ20 type stuff. And when something big like that happens we will forget all about this little break

buck502000 · March 2017

I wish Nirvana was still around.....

elvistheking44 · March 2017

All this over what Chris Chelios said. Seems odd to me.

buck502000 · March 2017

elvistheking44 said:
All this over what Chris Chelios said. Seems odd to me.

Me too, Eddie said how the band would love to be invited back to close the Joe.,,.

PJNB · March 2017

buck502000 said:

elvistheking44 said:
All this over what Chris Chelios said. Seems odd to me.
Me too, Eddie said how the band would love to be invited back to close the Joe.,,.

I always thought they wanted to be invited back to play at the Joe not close it or am I remember that boot incorrectly? Chelios said they tried to get them to close but in so many words said that PJ declined the offer due to taking a year-long break from touring.

wnh1977 · March 2017

elvistheking44 said:
All this over what Chris Chelios said. Seems odd to me.

All what? I don't understand why some people want to come in and say threads are out of control or blown out of proportion. So what? Fans are nerding out, talking about a band they love. Fans are giving their opinions about the current status of the band. This isn't that big of a deal. It's a message board, a fan forum... people should be able to have opinions and declare their likes/dislikes about the band. I don't get posting emojis of banging a head against a wall. And don't dare use the word "heart broken" about this band's inactivity... you'll be called out for your empty life.

I've been a fan since I was 17, right around the time Vitalogy came out. So I'm one of those that feels like I kind of grew up with the band. I'll always buy a new album on the first day of release, even if it takes 5+ years. I've seen them 30+ times, and will continue to. Seems like a number of people in this thread "get it". They're in their 50's, families, they've been on the road a lot for 25+ years, they have a shitload of money... that doesn't mean we can't wish it was different in some way. Since this all started with Chris Chelios, I'll end with a sports analogy. I'm just hoping they don't turn into Wizards-era Jordan

I think the band, Ed especially, is aware of legacy and integrity. Hopefully that keeps them from full-on nostalgia mode.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2017

buck502000 said:
I wish Nirvana was still around.....

why? Kurt would have cashed in and rode the wave to anonymity 20 years ago.

PJ_Soul · March 2017

NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

NewJPage said:

my2hands said:

thispureamericanriot said:
So guessing the earliest we could get a new PJ is 2018, that means 5 years in between albums (or longer). That would be the longest wait of their career.
25+ years in... an album every 5 years is probably best case scenario
25 years in neil released Ragged Glory...just saying
I didn't say they couldn't make great records... i just don't expect them very often any more, unfortunately
I hear ya, and I know he's a tough one to compare to. Someone mentioned earlier that the band has become more Stones than Neil, and I was thinking the same thing myself.
At a certain point the Stones found a formula and they have just been repeating it for around 40 years at this point, with less and less time spent on new music and more spent on tours in larger and larger venues. THis sounds much more like PJ than Neil, who releases an album every year that sounds nothing like the album before it, who will play in either arenas or small venues, and is still taking chances at age 71. When was the last time PJ took major chances? They were barely even political last election cycle, and I'm wondering if it was because they didn't want to turn people off. The fact that Trump was mentioned only in passing at Wrigley let me know that the band is a lot different than it used to be.
All that being said, I still enjoy Lightening Bolt overall (more than Backspacer), and hope they can get something going sometime in the next 2 years...

Yeah, you can't compare NY and PJ. Neil will release just about anything at this point. He seems to have a new album every few months these days, lol. But the thing about that is, he doesn't really care if people like it or not, whereas PJ obviously does (whether they succeed with that is another story... the last two albums are semi-failures IMHO, but apparently some people like them... though not enough for the band I'm sure). Neil has openly claimed the right to release any piece of crap he feels like releasing, ahahaha. I'd say that only about 50% of what he's released in the past few years is particularly listenable, and I am a HUGE fan. And that's cool. Obviously he has the time and the money to do this, and must be having fun just throwing all that stuff out on the market. But it's just his own deal. His own creative decisions. He doesn't have 4 other men to work with and try to please along with himself, let alone have a particular urge at this point in his life to appeal to the masses. Yeah, he's been working with Promise of the Real some of the time lately, but those guys are like kids compared to Neil, and I get the impression that they are all just joyously following Neil's lead and learning from him rather than negotiating artistic decisions.

buck502000 · March 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

buck502000 said:
I wish Nirvana was still around.....
why? Kurt would have cashed in and rode the wave to anonymity 20 years ago.

It was a joke

wnh1977 · March 2017

Time inbetween albums (in months):

Ten to Vs. - 26
Vs. to Vitalogy - 13
Vitalogy to No Code 20
No Code to Yield - 17
Yield to Binaural - 27
Binaural to Riot Act - 30
Riot Act to Pearl Jam -41
Pearl Jam to Backspacer - 40
Backspacer to Lightning Bolt - 49
Lightning Bolt to "Studio Album #11" - 41 and Counting...............

Merkin Baller · March 2017

Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are probably the least favorite albums amongst most die-hard fans, can we all agree on this? Assuming most of you do agree, then why the F would anyone want them to rush a new album? Is there not enough to bitch about between the merch & the Northeast shows and the RnR HOF drummers etc etc etc?

Let the band do their thing, who cares about the time between the albums? It’s not good enough for you? Tough shit, go make your own album.
It will happen when it happens, and I would think most people who care about the finished product shouldn’t want it to be rushed.

It’s almost as if everyone forgot about Ole.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2017

Merkin Baller said:

Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are probably the least favorite albums amongst most die-hard fans, can we all agree on this? Assuming most of you do agree, then why the F would anyone want them to rush a new album? Is there not enough to bitch about between the merch & the Northeast shows and the RnR HOF drummers etc etc etc?

Let the band do their thing, who cares about the time between the albums? It’s not good enough for you? Tough shit, go make your own album.
It will happen when it happens, and I would think most people who care about the finished product shouldn’t want it to be rushed.

It’s almost as if everyone forgot about Ole.

LOL, I still listen to Ole from time to time. If the lyrics were different, that song would be killer.

people are allowed to wish for more music from their favourite band. "go make your own" sounds like it came from Noel Gallagher or Billy Pumpkin.

wnh1977 · March 2017

Merkin Baller said:

Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are probably the least favorite albums amongst most die-hard fans, can we all agree on this? Assuming most of you do agree, then why the F would anyone want them to rush a new album? Is there not enough to bitch about between the merch & the Northeast shows and the RnR HOF drummers etc etc etc?

Let the band do their thing, who cares about the time between the albums? It’s not good enough for you? Tough shit, go make your own album.
It will happen when it happens, and I would think most people who care about the finished product shouldn’t want it to be rushed.

It’s almost as if everyone forgot about Ole.

If Backspacer and Lightning Bolt are among the least favorite, and I agree that they are, then what do we have to show for the last decade? I thought they were very similar, somewhat interchangeable, maybe due to Brendan O'Brien being on board for both. I like them, but they aren't up there with their finest work. That's kind of what I was trying to get to in my earlier posts on this thread. It's taking them longer and longer to put out material that is, arguably, less and less powerful/creative/strong. Admittedly, this is a debatable statement, but I think one worth discussing.

I think comparisons to the Rolling Stones are very justified... they're still making a shitload of money (merch, occasional touring) even though their most productive, flourishing days may be behind them. The PJ machine is still rolling along strong, with less and less effort put into it by the band. That, for me, is a little disappointing.

Eddie loves Springsteen. Maybe he'll get the same later-in-life bug-up-his-ass that the Boss did when he reeled off a few highly-acclaimed albums later in his career. The shows are Springsteen-esque, but the new material... well, we have two ok albums in 10 years.

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