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Exactly. For once I agree with BS - it doesn't hurt to have "okay" foreign relations with Russia. I'm sure most would like to avoid feeling scared of some kind of war with Russia, obviously. I remember during the campaign it was one of the few things that I kind of agreed with Trump on, i.e. don't aggravate US/Russia relations unnecessarily.mrussel1 said:
The reason there is so much concern is two-fold...
1. We don't know Trump's financial ties to Russia. And everyone knows that Putin would not hesitate for a second to confiscate assets. So any overtures to Russia are scene by many of us with a suspicious eye.
2. Russia has been promoting right wing extremism, anti-globalism and anti-NATO views for the last few years. Trump certainly has some affinity to this mind set and Bannon absolutely does. So the American people have the absolute right to know the extend of any ties between our gov't officials and theirs.
However, Trump's attitude towards and perceived relationship with Russia/Putin is WAY off the mark for that to be accomplished on the up-and-up. Many are concerned that Trump is actually very vulnerable to blackmail by Russia/Putin, on top of just the plain old massive conflicts of interest. Also, Trump is clueless enough to allow way too much influence by Putin. Putin is laughing and rubbing his hands together over Trump I'm sure. He knows that he can PLAY Trump. He knows that Trump is completely obsessed with perception and that all you have to do is stroke his ego to manipulate him, and Putin will take and is already taking full advantage of that humiliating fact, which is both dangerous and embarrassing. Plus, Russia is again flexing its muscles and wants to bring a bunch of ex-USSR nations back into the fold, which means ongoing war. I doubt most Americans favour being an actual ally with Russia while it grows its initiative to take over independent states, right?? I hope not, anyway.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Susan Rice lied, Clapper lied, Clinton lied...it happens all the time and Pence repeating what Flynn told him rises to a big fat nothing in comparison. I do agree it seems odd though...I'm starting to wonder if my "let's turn this into a sting operation" isn't a big joke after all. The pushback to the pushback is coming and many leakers will go down. Trump fights and I'm not yet tired of the winning.mrussel1 said:
To be more specific, Manafort was forced to resign because his name came up in a log of illegal payments to or from Ukraine separatists. If it was all bullcrap, I wonder why he resigned.
Second, like anything else, it's the cover up, not the crime. The issue..again... is that Flynn lied to Pence, Pence misled the American people. That can't happen. Why did Flynn lie? Don't know. Seems odd. I guess we will have to wait for the transcripts. Why did Trump wait 18 days before forcing the resignation of Flynn (until the Washpo story)? Don't know. Why did Trump say he was unaware of it during a Q&A last Friday when he had known for at least two weeks? Don't know. Maybe it's because he and his cronies are pathological liars. Maybe not.0 -
I have no problem with your's or anyone's concerns. I have concerns. I think though Trump is far tougher then people are giving him credit for. Putin played Bush, he played Obama. Trump has been doing business with bad ass people for years and I think he, Tillerson, and Mattis are probably the toughest people he has come up against.PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. For once I agree with BS - it doesn't hurt to have "okay" foreign relations with Russia. I'm sure most would like to avoid feeling scared of some kind of war with Russia, obviously. I remember during the campaign it was one of the few things that I kind of agreed with Trump on, i.e. don't aggravate US/Russia relations unnecessarily.
However, Trump's attitude towards and perceived relationship with Russia/Putin is WAY off the mark for that to be accomplished on the up-and-up. Many are concerned that Trump is actually very vulnerable to blackmail by Russia/Putin, on top of just the plain old massive conflicts of interest. Also, Trump is clueless enough to allow way too much influence by Putin. Putin is laughing and rubbing his hands together over Trump I'm sure. He knows that he can PLAY Trump. He knows that Trump is completely obsessed with perception and that all you have to do is stroke his ego to manipulate him, and Putin will take and is already taking full advantage of that humiliating fact, which is both dangerous and embarrassing. Plus, Russia is again flexing its muscles and wants to bring a bunch of ex-USSR nations back into the fold, which means ongoing war. I doubt most Americans favour being an actual ally with Russia while it grows its initiative to take over independent states, right?? I hope not, anyway.0 -
Susan Rice didn't lie. Just as I didn't say that Pence lied. Flynn was privy to the conversation and lied to Pence. There's a big fucking difference there. I'm not calling for Pence's resignation. And yes, Clapper should have resigned. But we're not talking about 2010. We're talking about today.BS44325 said:
Susan Rice lied, Clapper lied, Clinton lied...it happens all the time and Pence repeating what Flynn told him rises to a big fat nothing in comparison. I do agree it seems odd though...I'm starting to wonder if my "let's turn this into a sting operation" isn't a big joke after all. The pushback to the pushback is coming and many leakers will go down. Trump fights and I'm not yet tired of the winning.
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I disagree. Trump is about as tough as a newborn baby once someone starts stroking his ego and inflating his sense of importance. It's part of his personality disorder. Other leaders did not suffer from this pathetic kind of weakness. Putin will be all over it. He is a master manipulator, and Trump is extremely vulnerable to that.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Just watched some of his press conference....he thinks that Flynn did nothing wrong. LOL.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Thank you BS for actually providing substance to debate and discuss as a counter to the anti-Trump dialogue. I agree that there is a lot of speculative information being referred to as fact and I get annoyed with the continued bandwagon approach. I don't trust or believe Trump, but some of the jumps in thinking being posited simply haven't been proven yet. We know they are being looked in to, but the red herring isn't there yet.
Beyond the alleged Trump/Russia tie, what do people think we should be doing in regards to our relationship with Russia. If Trump started denouncing Putin and sending direct statements of disapproval with the allegations of election tampering and email hacking, would that be more pleasing? He could release his tax returns to assuage concerns, but if nothing is found, then what? It seems a lot of assumptions are being drawn that there is some damning evidence out there, but what if there isn't? What are the next steps?
I still don't agree with several of his policies or proposed plans, but that doesn't mean he won't be my president for the next 4 years. Anyone thinking this guy will give up or resign is just wishing on a star. Trump hates nothing more than failing or looking like he failed. Unless there's an out that allows him to shift the cause of the failure, he is in this for the long haul. The anti Trump groups love the controversy and continued failings at any level because they think it is proving what they already knew, but those who voted for him are just feeling more emboldened that they made the right decision because he is a victim of our current overly PC and liberal culture, just like them. The anti Trump group need to ease back on the arrogance that accusations = proven fact because it isn't having the desired effect.
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No Comet Pizza guy is JC. Get your facts straight, professor.BS44325 said:
The CIA and NSA don't do investigations...they collect intelligence and they need a court to gather this intelligence when it comes to American citizens. This intelligence can be handed over to investigating agencies under certain circumstances. I haven't seen a report anywhere that the Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit is investigating anything. I think you're making shit up again. You are the Comet Pizza guy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The US should continue with the sanctions related to the Crimea invasion along with the fresh sanctions related to the hacking. We should also continue to check them at every place where they try to grow their sphere of influence at the expense of liberal democracy. I would be okay with a limited partnership to fight ISIS, depending on what that looked like.tbergs said:
Beyond the alleged Trump/Russia tie, what do people think we should be doing in regards to our relationship with Russia. If Trump started denouncing Putin and sending direct statements of disapproval with the allegations of election tampering and email hacking, would that be more pleasing? He could release his tax returns to assuage concerns, but if nothing is found, then what? It seems a lot of assumptions are being drawn that there is some damning evidence out there, but what if there isn't? What are the next steps?0 -
You guys are hilarious. Clinton released 20 + years of tax returns. The Clinton foundation is held to strict reporting requirements to maintain its non-profit and tax exempt statuses and yet you guys hammered away on alleged nefariousness, despite facts. Pot meet kettle.tbergs said:Thank you BS for actually providing substance to debate and discuss as a counter to the anti-Trump dialogue. I agree that there is a lot of speculative information being referred to as fact and I get annoyed with the continued bandwagon approach. I don't trust or believe Trump, but some of the jumps in thinking being posited simply haven't been proven yet. We know they are being looked in to, but the red herring isn't there yet.
Beyond the alleged Trump/Russia tie, what do people think we should be doing in regards to our relationship with Russia. If Trump started denouncing Putin and sending direct statements of disapproval with the allegations of election tampering and email hacking, would that be more pleasing? He could release his tax returns to assuage concerns, but if nothing is found, then what? It seems a lot of assumptions are being drawn that there is some damning evidence out there, but what if there isn't? What are the next steps?
I still don't agree with several of his policies or proposed plans, but that doesn't mean he won't be my president for the next 4 years. Anyone thinking this guy will give up or resign is just wishing on a star. Trump hates nothing more than failing or looking like he failed. Unless there's an out that allows him to shift the cause of the failure, he is in this for the long haul. The anti Trump groups love the controversy and continued failings at any level because they think it is proving what they already knew, but those who voted for him are just feeling more emboldened that they made the right decision because he is a victim of our current overly PC and liberal culture, just like them. The anti Trump group need to ease back on the arrogance that accusations = proven fact because it isn't having the desired effect.
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I took his statement to mean that you're making up shit, so therefore you're just like the comet pizza guy. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it.Halifax2TheMax said:
No Comet Pizza guy is JC. Get your facts straight, professor.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
if there's nothing to his tax returns, why not release them and put a stop to all the speculation that is supposedly fuelling the fire of "fake news"?tbergs said:Thank you BS for actually providing substance to debate and discuss as a counter to the anti-Trump dialogue. I agree that there is a lot of speculative information being referred to as fact and I get annoyed with the continued bandwagon approach. I don't trust or believe Trump, but some of the jumps in thinking being posited simply haven't been proven yet. We know they are being looked in to, but the red herring isn't there yet.
Beyond the alleged Trump/Russia tie, what do people think we should be doing in regards to our relationship with Russia. If Trump started denouncing Putin and sending direct statements of disapproval with the allegations of election tampering and email hacking, would that be more pleasing? He could release his tax returns to assuage concerns, but if nothing is found, then what? It seems a lot of assumptions are being drawn that there is some damning evidence out there, but what if there isn't? What are the next steps?
I still don't agree with several of his policies or proposed plans, but that doesn't mean he won't be my president for the next 4 years. Anyone thinking this guy will give up or resign is just wishing on a star. Trump hates nothing more than failing or looking like he failed. Unless there's an out that allows him to shift the cause of the failure, he is in this for the long haul. The anti Trump groups love the controversy and continued failings at any level because they think it is proving what they already knew, but those who voted for him are just feeling more emboldened that they made the right decision because he is a victim of our current overly PC and liberal culture, just like them. The anti Trump group need to ease back on the arrogance that accusations = proven fact because it isn't having the desired effect.
people are jumping on the accusations because they get giddy thinking they are one step closer to removing this fuck from office. they might be wishing on a star, they might not be. nothing as yet has been proven, you are absolutely correct, HOWEVER, where there's smoke, there's usually fire, and there is so much smoke, the Trump admin is struggling to breathe right now.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It's amazing how he continues to dodge the anti-semitism questions.0
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What was that again?BS44325 said:
The CIA and NSA don't do investigations...they collect intelligence and they need a court to gather this intelligence when it comes to American citizens. This intelligence can be handed over to investigating agencies under certain circumstances. I haven't seen a report anywhere that the Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit is investigating anything. I think you're making shit up again. You are the Comet Pizza guy.
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Inheriting a shit tonne of Manhattan real estate does not make you "good at business".
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Come again?BS44325 said:
The CIA and NSA don't do investigations...they collect intelligence and they need a court to gather this intelligence when it comes to American citizens. This intelligence can be handed over to investigating agencies under certain circumstances. I haven't seen a report anywhere that the Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit is investigating anything. I think you're making shit up again. You are the Comet Pizza guy.
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if you guys don't think Trump isnt compromised or bought by Putin then I've got a bridge to sell you lol
call me crazy but I have $20 that says everything in the Golden Showers Dossier is accurate... and every single intelligence agency has stated that the Russians interfered with our election, while treasonous Trump cheered them on
thankfully some investigative journalists and members of the intelligence community aren't as gullible as some Americans
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I would be there is some dis-information in there, planted by the Russians. That would be standard procedure. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of truth in it.my2hands said:if you guys don't think Trump is compromised or bought by Putin then I've got a bridge to sell you lol
call me crazy but I have $20 that says everything in the Golden Showers Dossier is accurate... and every single intelligence agency has stated that the Russians interfered with our election, while treasonous Trump cheered them on
thankfully some investigative journalists and members of the intelligence community aren't as gullible as some Americans
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