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I love how they are trying to change focus to "the leakers" lol
Some people will fall for it... mostly his "fans"... most people with a functioning brain know it's bullshit0 -
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Let me know when Obama & his cronies had a treasonous relationship with Russia0
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How many have opened one now? I haven't seen an actual list. All I have seen is that the FBI has cleared everybody.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many law enforcement or intelligence agencies opened investigations of the Obama administration in the first 26 days?BS44325 said:
Why don't you go back and see how many of Obama's team withdrew and/or had to be pushed out in the early stages. Daschle, Richardson, Gregg, Jones, Zinni...there are others. Did any of those withdrawals represent the collapse of his administration? Do your homework please.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because 26 days into a new administration, you have a high profile resignation that was preceded by two previous high level resignations, a cabinet level nominee withdraw from consideration and 4 national security/law enforcement agencies beginning investigations as well as both republican and democrat members of congress, specifically members of the intelligence committees, and not back bencher amateurs like Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton." Because this is how most newly elected administrations get off the ground. Brilliant!!BS44325 said:
To date there is no evidence of wrongdoing. By anyone. Communications are not a crime. Could something else arise? Certainly but so far there is just nothing.mrussel1 said:
True. The Paul Manafort and Roger Stone connection emerged long ago. Another player is emerging and they all are connected by Mr. Trump.BS44325 said:
Actually none of that is emerging.mickeyrat said:
its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.BS44325 said:
The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.mickeyrat said:
still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.BS44325 said:
Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.mickeyrat said:
colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.bootlegger10 said:
If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?mickeyrat said:
exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?mrussel1 said:Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.
props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
But seriously BS, you can't really believe that Trump was unaware or disconnected from all of these Russian issues. His own words throughout the campaign and during the first weeks of his presidency make it quite obvious.
Let's all remember that when Bush was negotiating with Iran in 2008 Obama sent Ambassador William Miller to meet with Iran and let them know that he will be "friendlier" to them. That meeting pretty much sabotaged Bush and nobody made a peep.
Has anything Trump or his people have done even approached that level of interference? I don't think so.
A whole lot of nothing? You mean like Hillary's emails? Or did you mean the Clinton Foundation? Or nothing like Comet Pizza?0 -
I saw a quote online that said:my2hands said:I love how they are trying to change focus to "the leakers" lol
Some people will fall for it... mostly his "fans"... most people with a functioning brain know it's bullshit
"blaming the leakers for the information is like blaming the fire alarm for causing the fire"Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I am not making excuses. There is currently nothing to make an excuse for. Other then innuendo of course.my2hands said:
off the top of my head, its been a few years, but I remember most of them being pushed out due to tax issues... not for being on the payroll of the Russians... and of course we know this bafoon hasn't paid taxes in decades and still hasn't released his taxesBS44325 said:
Why don't you go back and see how many of Obama's team withdrew and/or had to be pushed out in the early stages. Daschle, Richardson, Gregg, Jones, Zinni...there are others. Did any of those withdrawals represent the collapse of his administration? Do your homework please.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because 26 days into a new administration, you have a high profile resignation that was preceded by two previous high level resignations, a cabinet level nominee withdraw from consideration and 4 national security/law enforcement agencies beginning investigations as well as both republican and democrat members of congress, specifically members of the intelligence committees, and not back bencher amateurs like Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton." Because this is how most newly elected administrations get off the ground. Brilliant!!BS44325 said:
To date there is no evidence of wrongdoing. By anyone. Communications are not a crime. Could something else arise? Certainly but so far there is just nothing.mrussel1 said:
True. The Paul Manafort and Roger Stone connection emerged long ago. Another player is emerging and they all are connected by Mr. Trump.BS44325 said:
Actually none of that is emerging.mickeyrat said:
its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.BS44325 said:
The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.mickeyrat said:
still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.BS44325 said:
Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.mickeyrat said:
colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.bootlegger10 said:
If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?mickeyrat said:
exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?mrussel1 said:Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.
props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
But seriously BS, you can't really believe that Trump was unaware or disconnected from all of these Russian issues. His own words throughout the campaign and during the first weeks of his presidency make it quite obvious.
Let's all remember that when Bush was negotiating with Iran in 2008 Obama sent Ambassador William Miller to meet with Iran and let them know that he will be "friendlier" to them. That meeting pretty much sabotaged Bush and nobody made a peep.
Has anything Trump or his people have done even approached that level of interference? I don't think so.
A whole lot of nothing? You mean like Hillary's emails? Or did you mean the Clinton Foundation? Or nothing like Comet Pizza?
keep making excuses. keep reading right wing blogs that excuse it all way. keep that head in the sand my friend. its not going to change reality0 -
right.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You can do that.
people can see right through this b-b-b-ut Obama, and b-b-b-ut Hillary. They're persona non grata. This is not an issue of 'both side are bad, so....' This is unpresidented territory, and the people who own this mess are Trump, his administration, and the GOP that continues to put their agenda and party before their country.
Take your 'both sides are bad' narrative and shove it.0 -
You can't take the effect...and make it the cause...you didn't rob a bank because I made up the law..HughFreakingDillon said:
I saw a quote online that said:my2hands said:I love how they are trying to change focus to "the leakers" lol
Some people will fall for it... mostly his "fans"... most people with a functioning brain know it's bullshit
"blaming the leakers for the information is like blaming the fire alarm for causing the fire"
Well I ain't saying I'm innocent
In fact the reverse
But if your heading to the grave
you don't blame the hearse
You're like a little girl yelling at her brother
Cuz you lost his ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIU
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Great song.mrussel1 said:
You can't take the effect...and make it the cause...you didn't rob a bank because I made up the law..HughFreakingDillon said:
I saw a quote online that said:my2hands said:I love how they are trying to change focus to "the leakers" lol
Some people will fall for it... mostly his "fans"... most people with a functioning brain know it's bullshit
"blaming the leakers for the information is like blaming the fire alarm for causing the fire"
Well I ain't saying I'm innocent
In fact the reverse
But if your heading to the grave
you don't blame the hearse
You're like a little girl yelling at her brother
Cuz you lost his ballhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIUI LOVE MUSIC.
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I really can't tell anymore if you support President Trump or not.CM189191 said:
right.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You can do that.
people can see right through this b-b-b-ut Obama, and b-b-b-ut Hillary. They're persona non grata. This is not an issue of 'both side are bad, so....' This is unpresidented territory, and the people who own this mess are Trump, his administration, and the GOP that continues to put their agenda and party before their country.
Take your 'both sides are bad' narrative and shove it.
I post an article with some facts and you say shove it?
I've never said both sides are bad only one.0 -
my2hands said:
BS...
you have no issue or concerns at all with the trump administration, and trump himself, appearing to have a nefarious relationship with Putin & the Russians?
please do not reference Hillary, Obama, W, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, Taft, or Teddy
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Of course I have issues. Remember that I am probably the biggest hawk on here and I am very concerned with Russian behaviour over the last few years. That being said all I am witnessing right now are "appearances"...with some "appearances" being worse then others. The Manafort stuff bugs me far more then the Flynn stuff but I don't think either rise to the level of "nefarious" from what we know...yet. Also when it comes down to it I don't think Trump himself is even ideological about Russia. Like most issues he probably hasn't given any of this too much thought but he does actually have a strategic advantage by maintaining a polite posture with Putin over the course of the campaign. More importantly then any of this would be to ask yourself what kind of strategy and/or relationship would you like to see with Russia. There is room here to push back against Russia while giving Putin the chance to save face. It would also be good to bring Russia closer to the US in order to counter Iran and a more aggressive China...a reverse Nixon if you will (sorry for the reference but this is strategy and not comparing behaviour). So yes I have concerns but it is important to not overreact to every little unsubstantiated tidbit in the press. Right now Russia is loving the division in your country. They have been hitting Ukraine hard over the last few days. They count on your weakness.my2hands said:BS...
you have no issue or concerns at all with the trump administration, and trump himself, appearing to have a nefarious relationship with Putin & the Russians?
please do not reference Hillary, Obama, W, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, Taft, or Teddy0 -
CIA, NSA and Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit. Ongoing investigations and unlike Comey, they're not commenting on ongoing investigations. Comey's actions alone make the FBI suspect but I'll bet there are some rogue agents leaking, as opposed to taking leaks.BS44325 said:
How many have opened one now? I haven't seen an actual list. All I have seen is that the FBI has cleared everybody.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many law enforcement or intelligence agencies opened investigations of the Obama administration in the first 26 days?BS44325 said:
Why don't you go back and see how many of Obama's team withdrew and/or had to be pushed out in the early stages. Daschle, Richardson, Gregg, Jones, Zinni...there are others. Did any of those withdrawals represent the collapse of his administration? Do your homework please.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because 26 days into a new administration, you have a high profile resignation that was preceded by two previous high level resignations, a cabinet level nominee withdraw from consideration and 4 national security/law enforcement agencies beginning investigations as well as both republican and democrat members of congress, specifically members of the intelligence committees, and not back bencher amateurs like Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton." Because this is how most newly elected administrations get off the ground. Brilliant!!BS44325 said:
To date there is no evidence of wrongdoing. By anyone. Communications are not a crime. Could something else arise? Certainly but so far there is just nothing.mrussel1 said:
True. The Paul Manafort and Roger Stone connection emerged long ago. Another player is emerging and they all are connected by Mr. Trump.BS44325 said:
Actually none of that is emerging.mickeyrat said:
its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.BS44325 said:
The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.mickeyrat said:
still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.BS44325 said:
Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.mickeyrat said:
colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.bootlegger10 said:
If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?mickeyrat said:
exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?mrussel1 said:Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.
props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
But seriously BS, you can't really believe that Trump was unaware or disconnected from all of these Russian issues. His own words throughout the campaign and during the first weeks of his presidency make it quite obvious.
Let's all remember that when Bush was negotiating with Iran in 2008 Obama sent Ambassador William Miller to meet with Iran and let them know that he will be "friendlier" to them. That meeting pretty much sabotaged Bush and nobody made a peep.
Has anything Trump or his people have done even approached that level of interference? I don't think so.
A whole lot of nothing? You mean like Hillary's emails? Or did you mean the Clinton Foundation? Or nothing like Comet Pizza?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And both parties in congress are calling for investigative committees with some advocating for a special prosecutor. Nothing to see here folks. Move on.Halifax2TheMax said:
CIA, NSA and Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit. Ongoing investigations and unlike Comey, they're not commenting on ongoing investigations. Comey's actions alone make the FBI suspect but I'll bet there are some rogue agents leaking, as opposed to taking leaks.BS44325 said:
How many have opened one now? I haven't seen an actual list. All I have seen is that the FBI has cleared everybody.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many law enforcement or intelligence agencies opened investigations of the Obama administration in the first 26 days?BS44325 said:
Why don't you go back and see how many of Obama's team withdrew and/or had to be pushed out in the early stages. Daschle, Richardson, Gregg, Jones, Zinni...there are others. Did any of those withdrawals represent the collapse of his administration? Do your homework please.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because 26 days into a new administration, you have a high profile resignation that was preceded by two previous high level resignations, a cabinet level nominee withdraw from consideration and 4 national security/law enforcement agencies beginning investigations as well as both republican and democrat members of congress, specifically members of the intelligence committees, and not back bencher amateurs like Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton." Because this is how most newly elected administrations get off the ground. Brilliant!!BS44325 said:
To date there is no evidence of wrongdoing. By anyone. Communications are not a crime. Could something else arise? Certainly but so far there is just nothing.mrussel1 said:
True. The Paul Manafort and Roger Stone connection emerged long ago. Another player is emerging and they all are connected by Mr. Trump.BS44325 said:
Actually none of that is emerging.mickeyrat said:
its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.BS44325 said:
The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.mickeyrat said:
still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.BS44325 said:
Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.mickeyrat said:
colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.bootlegger10 said:
If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?mickeyrat said:
exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?mrussel1 said:Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.
props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
But seriously BS, you can't really believe that Trump was unaware or disconnected from all of these Russian issues. His own words throughout the campaign and during the first weeks of his presidency make it quite obvious.
Let's all remember that when Bush was negotiating with Iran in 2008 Obama sent Ambassador William Miller to meet with Iran and let them know that he will be "friendlier" to them. That meeting pretty much sabotaged Bush and nobody made a peep.
Has anything Trump or his people have done even approached that level of interference? I don't think so.
A whole lot of nothing? You mean like Hillary's emails? Or did you mean the Clinton Foundation? Or nothing like Comet Pizza?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The reason there is so much concern is two-fold...BS44325 said:
Of course I have issues. Remember that I am probably the biggest hawk on here and I am very concerned with Russian behaviour over the last few years. That being said all I am witnessing right now are "appearances"...with some "appearances" being worse then others. The Manafort stuff bugs me far more then the Flynn stuff but I don't think either rise to the level of "nefarious" from what we know...yet. Also when it comes down to it I don't think Trump himself is even ideological about Russia. Like most issues he probably hasn't given any of this too much thought but he does actually have a strategic advantage by maintaining a polite posture with Putin over the course of the campaign. More importantly then any of this would be to ask yourself what kind of strategy and/or relationship would you like to see with Russia. There is room here to push back against Russia while giving Putin the chance to save face. It would also be good to bring Russia closer to the US in order to counter Iran and a more aggressive China...a reverse Nixon if you will (sorry for the reference but this is strategy and not comparing behaviour). So yes I have concerns but it is important to not overreact to every little unsubstantiated tidbit in the press. Right now Russia is loving the division in your country. They have been hitting Ukraine hard over the last few days. They count on your weakness.my2hands said:BS...
you have no issue or concerns at all with the trump administration, and trump himself, appearing to have a nefarious relationship with Putin & the Russians?
please do not reference Hillary, Obama, W, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, Truman, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, Taft, or Teddy
1. We don't know Trump's financial ties to Russia. And everyone knows that Putin would not hesitate for a second to confiscate assets. So any overtures to Russia are scene by many of us with a suspicious eye.
2. Russia has been promoting right wing extremism, anti-globalism and anti-NATO views for the last few years. Trump certainly has some affinity to this mind set and Bannon absolutely does. So the American people have the absolute right to know the extend of any ties between our gov't officials and theirs.0 -
you're joking right? you see those situations the same? how many people had to step down from the Obama team due to being on the Iranian payroll? were there any inclinations that Obama may have been compromised by Iran?BS44325 said:
They had a similar one with Iran prior to him taking office and I never heard you make a peep.my2hands said:Let me know when Obama & his cronies had a treasonous relationship with Russia
by the way, you have no clue what I make a peep about and don't... you act as if posting on here is the only measure of a persons stance on issues? lol
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Obama sent someone to Iran while Bush was trying to negotiate a deal. Isn't that why everybody is suggesting the Flynn phone call was so problematic? It is the exact same thing. Second nobody had to step down for being on Russian payroll. You keep writing that as if it happened. It is innuendo. The suggestion that Trump may have been compromised by Russia is innuendo. You are basically the mouthpiece for every intelligence leak that appears in yesterday's paper. That is when you make peeps.my2hands said:
you're joking right? you see those situations the same? how many people had to step down from the Obama team due to being on the Iranian payroll? were there any inclinations that Obama may have been compromised by Iran?BS44325 said:
They had a similar one with Iran prior to him taking office and I never heard you make a peep.my2hands said:Let me know when Obama & his cronies had a treasonous relationship with Russia
by the way, you have no clue what I make a peep about and don't... you act as if posting on here is the only measure of a persons stance on issues? lol0 -
To be more specific, Manafort was forced to resign because his name came up in a log of illegal payments to or from Ukraine separatists. If it was all bullcrap, I wonder why he resigned.BS44325 said:
Obama sent someone to Iran while Bush was trying to negotiate a deal. Isn't that why everybody is suggesting the Flynn phone call was so problematic? It is the exact same thing. Second nobody had to step down for being on Russian payroll. You keep writing that as if it happened. It is innuendo. The suggestion that Trump may have been compromised by Russia is innuendo. You are basically the mouthpiece for every intelligence leak that appears in yesterday's paper. That is when you make peeps.my2hands said:
you're joking right? you see those situations the same? how many people had to step down from the Obama team due to being on the Iranian payroll? were there any inclinations that Obama may have been compromised by Iran?BS44325 said:
They had a similar one with Iran prior to him taking office and I never heard you make a peep.my2hands said:Let me know when Obama & his cronies had a treasonous relationship with Russia
by the way, you have no clue what I make a peep about and don't... you act as if posting on here is the only measure of a persons stance on issues? lol
Second, like anything else, it's the cover up, not the crime. The issue..again... is that Flynn lied to Pence, Pence misled the American people. That can't happen. Why did Flynn lie? Don't know. Seems odd. I guess we will have to wait for the transcripts. Why did Trump wait 18 days before forcing the resignation of Flynn (until the Washpo story)? Don't know. Why did Trump say he was unaware of it during a Q&A last Friday when he had known for at least two weeks? Don't know. Maybe it's because he and his cronies are pathological liars. Maybe not.0 -
The CIA and NSA don't do investigations...they collect intelligence and they need a court to gather this intelligence when it comes to American citizens. This intelligence can be handed over to investigating agencies under certain circumstances. I haven't seen a report anywhere that the Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit is investigating anything. I think you're making shit up again. You are the Comet Pizza guy.Halifax2TheMax said:
CIA, NSA and Treasury's Financial Crimes Unit. Ongoing investigations and unlike Comey, they're not commenting on ongoing investigations. Comey's actions alone make the FBI suspect but I'll bet there are some rogue agents leaking, as opposed to taking leaks.BS44325 said:
How many have opened one now? I haven't seen an actual list. All I have seen is that the FBI has cleared everybody.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many law enforcement or intelligence agencies opened investigations of the Obama administration in the first 26 days?BS44325 said:
Why don't you go back and see how many of Obama's team withdrew and/or had to be pushed out in the early stages. Daschle, Richardson, Gregg, Jones, Zinni...there are others. Did any of those withdrawals represent the collapse of his administration? Do your homework please.Halifax2TheMax said:
Because 26 days into a new administration, you have a high profile resignation that was preceded by two previous high level resignations, a cabinet level nominee withdraw from consideration and 4 national security/law enforcement agencies beginning investigations as well as both republican and democrat members of congress, specifically members of the intelligence committees, and not back bencher amateurs like Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton." Because this is how most newly elected administrations get off the ground. Brilliant!!BS44325 said:
To date there is no evidence of wrongdoing. By anyone. Communications are not a crime. Could something else arise? Certainly but so far there is just nothing.mrussel1 said:
True. The Paul Manafort and Roger Stone connection emerged long ago. Another player is emerging and they all are connected by Mr. Trump.BS44325 said:
Actually none of that is emerging.mickeyrat said:
its emerging that Flynn wasnt the only one of the team. and now we're talking about well before election day. and given his continued deflections in regards to russia's exertion of influence, it suggests to me something involving him directly.BS44325 said:
The only thing that has been suggested to be corruptable right now is Flynn post-lie to Pence. I'm not sure how that's worse then the known corruptable power that was Hillary. Not the same ballpark. At all.mickeyrat said:
still not the same ballpark. at all. preventing corruptable power so corruptable power can take office? stop insulting my intelligence.BS44325 said:
Hillary was a corruptable power. The FBI was giving everybody the heads-up. It was just pushback.mickeyrat said:
colluding with an adversarial foreign power in the electoral process is a lot different than leaking pertinent info on corruptable power. And in the early stages of this particular administration, its a civic obligation imo.bootlegger10 said:
If that is the case than why so mad if Trump colluded with Russia to leak the Hillary campaign's emails? Just pushback, you know, the foundation of this country?mickeyrat said:
exactly. the very founding of this country was pushback against power. what is a leak other than pushback?mrussel1 said:Illegal or not, the information is true. By definition, a leak is true.
props to the deftness of your PM the other day btw.
In terms of my PM...Yeah. I don't like him but he played it right.
But seriously BS, you can't really believe that Trump was unaware or disconnected from all of these Russian issues. His own words throughout the campaign and during the first weeks of his presidency make it quite obvious.
Let's all remember that when Bush was negotiating with Iran in 2008 Obama sent Ambassador William Miller to meet with Iran and let them know that he will be "friendlier" to them. That meeting pretty much sabotaged Bush and nobody made a peep.
Has anything Trump or his people have done even approached that level of interference? I don't think so.
A whole lot of nothing? You mean like Hillary's emails? Or did you mean the Clinton Foundation? Or nothing like Comet Pizza?0
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