Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.

so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?

no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.

so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?

no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?

in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.

so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.

LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?

well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.

????? really ?

comprehension problem?

no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..

I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.

you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

not to mention, your several questions marks surrounding the word "really" was in response to me not wanting to equate all immigrants with criminals. not open borders.

so you think like trump does, that all immigrants are rapists and murderers?

no, I don't but the ones that are need to be deported asap ! or imprisoned.
also, if any person enters a country, any country illegally does that not make them a criminal by definition ?

in your country, yes, it is considered a misdemeanor.

so is public intoxication, which means most of us have committed equal crimes.

LOL !!! so then we agree that every illegal immigrant is a criminal ?........you know I couldn't let that one just slip by. LOL !!!

yes, under US law, they are. who ever said they weren't?

if you think that's what trump was saying, you are sadly mistaken. he said "rapists and murderers". he didn't say "they are all criminals since they are entering our country illegally".

no that's not what I think he's saying and remember his statement about Mexico sending us rapists and murderers he NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists and murderers but Clinton had a hay day with that one and that's probably one of the reasons she lost support from some of the Mexican people...a lie is a lie is a lie in any language.

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim

Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.

That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...

Really? Which countries?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim

Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.

That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...

Really? Which countries?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

any American Christian that thinks they would still be a Christian if they were born & raised in Riyadh Saudi Arabia is a fool, there is a 99.8% chance you would be a practicing Muslim

Religion is largely decided by where you live and who you are raised and surrounded by. period. full stop.

That and due to the fact that you stand a real chance of being stoned to death for practicing Christianity in many primarily muslim countries...

Really? Which countries?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iran, Libya...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

HFD you dislike borders right ? do you enjoy living in Canada without the pesky laws that govern the United States ? or other countries' ?
your open border and free reign for the people idea is noble but seriously un-workable....it's a hippy pipe dream and hopefully someday you'll realize open borders will never work.

I think borders are stupid in the philisophical sense. yes, borders are obviously required for economics; countries would collapse without them. But you, and many other americans, think a border means I can't have an opinion, and that's just plain stupid.

not to mention that many americans don't give a sweet fuck about the sovereignty of other nations' borders, but when it comes to their own, it's "GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN". it's fundamentally hypocritical.

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people

More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!

My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

As usual, it's attributed to the "lone nutcase" when something happens in the US, and it's attributes to religion when it happens somewhere we have less contact and knowledge of. It's not about the religion, it's about power, fear and manipulation. The "lone nutcase" in the US is acting under a similar dynamic. Watch as we hear more about federal agents abusing their power and not following the law as they are following the lead of the new administration. Watch as more trump followers kill more people

More false equivalencies...the cultural acceptance of such actions in the US is no where close to what it is in the countries I mentioned. And why single out "Trump followers"? I would argue that MOST of the semi-recent mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the US were not done by "Trump followers" or by anyone that aligned with his beliefs. In fact, MOST of the violence lately has been perpetuated by the other end of the spectrum. And you accuse others of demonizing and profiling...Deplorable!

My point isn't to draw out an equivilancy, it's to comment on how people view what motivates others. In the US, like you pointed out, motives are isolated to the individual making their own individual choice. When it's someone elsewhere, of a different culture/religion, their motivation is applied to the group you assign them to. Most violence in the US is done by white males, so what do you attribute that to?

Yeah, you're going to have to offer some links to back up where you are getting that from. Here is a pre-rebuttal:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

What do you attribute white male violence too, regardless of the rate?