Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?

bootlegger10

Literally dozens of people?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Funny. Why do so many people still want to come here? We are a terrible, terrible society. I'm baffled by the immigration debate based on this. There's no opportunity. The rich just keep getting richer and the poor just keep getting poorer. Why on earth would anyone want to come here? It seems going to the more socialistic/equitable societies would make a hell of a lot more sense.

I've never said the US is the shits. I will say you haven't got things completely figured out- no country does.

You can't deny the income disparity that exists in your country. You're a lucky baby. Congratulations for winning the lottery of life. Now, as you bask in your luckiness, consider what steps might be taken to make life a little better for those not as lucky as you.

Capitalism is great- when you're on the 'great' side. Do you seriously think you could get to where you have gotten to today if you had been born as a black baby in, say, Chicago? Or a Mexican infant born in Juarez where your choices for occupation are selling Chicklets or joining one of the cartels that service the drug consuming base of America?

Kat

What I recall is that back in the 80s, our country looked the other way while people came over the border because business wanted cheap labor. You know who was in office during the 80s. I think that created the situation we find ourselves in now and it's really a betrayal to the families that came to work here and raise their families and now are being treated as criminals because the situation has changed and they're also being scape-goated. It really sucks but not everyone has forgotten the past few decades and what happened. However this is handled in the future, there shouldn't be pain for these families. imho

josevolution

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

Go Beavers

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Compassion isn't a finite resource, so never.

Go Beavers

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unsung

bootlegger10 said:

Literally dozens of people?

LOL. They have it so rough those Canadians.

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

unsung

PJPOWER said:

unsung said:

Fine. Let's limit it to people already here, not bring in more that will drain the limited resources available.

It's like adopting more children when you cannot provide for the ones you already have...

Exactly.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

bootlegger10 said:

Literally dozens of people?

LOL. They have it so rough those Canadians.

the point is many people are fleeing the US and coming to Canada, in the middle of winter, on foot. I thought the US was the land of opportunity!

unsung

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

Congratulations on being a lucky baby, Unsung.

bootlegger10

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

But they do exist. All the borders and laws that are in effect now are there as a result of an evolution of human existence on this planet. They are necessary to maintain order, protect property rights, allow for certain freedoms, etc... some are good, some are bad.

I get that the birth lottery isn't fair, but I bet you appreciate the lock on your door and the laws that protect your property you rent or own.

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

But they do exist. All the borders and laws that are in effect now are there as a result of an evolution of human existence on this planet. They are necessary to maintain order, protect property rights, allow for certain freedoms, etc... some are good, some are bad.

I get that the birth lottery isn't fair, but I bet you appreciate the lock on your door and the laws that protect your property you rent or own.

my point is I can't stand this "stay out of my country" bullshit. countries are man made dividers. I understand the fundamental need for them, but to use them as some type of reasoning for not helping others, I find, is completely unacceptable.

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?

well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !

We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!

Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?

You mean you only believe in 'your' property rights. Native Indians believe in property rights too. All the arguments you make are moot.

This exclusion attitude has been around a long time. Didn't European groups such as the Irish and the Italians face hostility as they- like the English people right before them- tried to make a new life for themselves on a new continent? Say nothing of the Chinese who were treated like garbage. Oh yah... blacks faced some hostility too.

On the micro scale, lock your door. It makes perfect sense to. But don't equate locking your door from outsiders to locking a massive chunk of land to outsiders when you're an outsider to begin with.

josevolution

I'd say watch what you wish for we are all one dreadful event from being homeless or destitute , I say there is enough in this country to take care of the needy !

oftenreading

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.

Well said, Thirty.

Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.

Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.

Your own country is not always picking up the slack. As a percentage of national income, the contribution from the US to foreign aid, for example, is small. You're pretty much middle to low end of the pack.