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  • BS44325 said:

    History will remember him as the first African American president who sacrificed the entire democratic party on the alter of Obamacare which was eventually repealed and replaced during the Age of Trump that he ushered in. Oh yeah...he'll also be remembered for sitting on his hands during the Syrian genocide. You need more president's like that.
    Republicans don't have a replacement for Obamacare after 8 years of screaming about it. Meanwhile, Massachusetts is doing just fine with Romneycare. Repealed? Maybe. Replaced? The republicans have no intention. I'll give you credit for your fantasy though.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Except if that speech involves the BDS movement. Or any criticism of Israel. Care to expound on why it's okay for government to not do business with a business that supports BDS, thus stifling the right to speech, of which you seem so proud are your true colors?
    A government is entitled to free speech as well. Not doing business with an entity is not "stifling the right to speech". BDS can still protest. Nobody is stopping that at all. What you seem to be asking for is speech without the right to counter-speech.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    It's not bigotry to dislike someone because of their beliefs. It is when it's race, creed, color, sex that is driving the feelings.
    Oh. So I guess you are one of the few on here who thinks religious bigotry doesn't exist. Who knew all those people worried about Islamophobia have no basis for concern.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    False equivalency. Can't defend the Russian involvement so attack the other side. There is a whole lot of there, there and it'll come out. Follow the money. But keep making excuses for your blind loyalty.
    I have no blind loyalty. I'm very curious to see how this Flynn situation plays out and it's quite possible he will be turfed if he did indeed lie to the Vice President. That being said the "there there" is all over the place and while the knives are out for Flynn no one can be certain what the real story is. He may indeed have violated the law but people who are fans of Gabbard need to be very careful what they wish for.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    BS44325 said:

    Oh. So I guess you are one of the few on here who thinks religious bigotry doesn't exist. Who knew all those people worried about Islamophobia have no basis for concern.
    I believe I typed the word creed. I wasn't referring to the band. So I have no idea what you're trying to say
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,855
    RYME said:

    Ok Maby that was a stretch to far. Sorry.
    I got fed up from being called low informed & racist from a different poster not you.
    Would you agree that there is a difference between a Democrat & a radical socialist Democrat? I wasn't around back then but from what I've read and heard I liked Kennedy.
    I like what I know about Harry Truman.
    Aside from Bill Clinton's personal life, I thought he was a decent Present. Bill Clinton had the economy rolling good and would actually listen to his constituents. I obviously didn't vote for Barack Obama, but when he got in, I was thrilled at least we had a black present. I thought that aspect of it was cool. Because I have none of those phobias that Hillary described. (I embrace all the races)
    I'm not totally anti Democrat. I thought Barack Obama (I'm checking my spelling more closely) had a great opportunity to be more like a MLK, president. If he would've tried to be more like that, I would've been much more supportive of him. That didn't work out in my opinion.
    Well hopefully you don't write me off now.
    I also think that Trump is NOT the end all be all either. By the way, Carly Fiorina was my first choice during the primaries, but that didn't work out either. Yes I voted for Trump, but if he starts acting like a dictator, I will hold his feet to the fire and become highly critical.
    We shall see.
    I apologize for the earlier post. I was wrong on that.
    As for your bolded question, you would have to define what you mean by those terms, and maybe give examples of who you think fits those terms. But bear in mind that no major players in US politics now are "radical socialist democrats". Your run of the mill democrats are pretty far to the right of most countries' liberal/democratic parties, and somewhat to the right of many countries' conservative parties.

    And I for one appreciate you coming back to apologize and clarify.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    BS44325 said:

    He also has a history of believing in baby conspiracies. I have been reading Andrew Sullivan for years and I know full well his evolution on conservatism. As far as his support for LGBT rights it is about the same as Trump's which predated both Obama and Hillary Clinton. Trump was for gay marriage before it was cool.
    you can keep attacking the messenger. the truth will hurt that much more when you finally decide to accept it.
  • BS44325 said:

    I have no blind loyalty. I'm very curious to see how this Flynn situation plays out and it's quite possible he will be turfed if he did indeed lie to the Vice President. That being said the "there there" is all over the place and while the knives are out for Flynn no one can be certain what the real story is. He may indeed have violated the law but people who are fans of Gabbard need to be very careful what they wish for.
    Its not just about Flynn. Although he'll likely fall on his sword. Its much bigger than Flynn. My money is on Manafort singing like a canary. That you're willing to "wait and see" is telling. But I'm okay with the judicial process playing out. Its going to be untenable for the republicans. Please enlighten me on how Gabbard and Flynn are comparable?
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  • BS44325 said:

    Was it treason when Pelosi and Kerry met with Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration? Was Tulsi Gabbard's meeting with Assad treason? Personally I'm not sure where this Flynn situation will end up but we might want to clarify what is and isn't treason before charges are made.
    Pelosi and Kerry isn't treason because they were members of the US government at the time. That's what my only problem with Flynn is- at the end of December of 2016, he was not a member of the government. He was in no position to make policy statements in regard to the incoming administration. That's just not how our government works. And the fact that his phones calls to the Russian government go back well before the election, the very election Russia interfered with in hopes of benefitting Trump, is quite disturbing. This guy is literally editing the PDBs before they get to the President. That's insane! The President's own intelligence community is already collapsing around him and he needs to cut Flynn to save face with guys like Mattis, Pence and Pompeo. I don't agree with those guys much but they know how the beltway operates and the roles they're there to play.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    ^^And if it wasn't an issue, why has Flynn denied it (before walking that back..)?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    vaggar99 said:

    you can keep attacking the messenger. the truth will hurt that much more when you finally decide to accept it.
    What truth? That Trump has a mental disorder?
  • Its not an issue because its a "conservative" administration. The cleanest administration since Jimmy Carter was referred to as an empty suit. And the candidate who promised to "drain the swamp," instead filled it and then some. Black is white, white is black, up is down, down is up. Its the alt-right way.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    vaggar99 said:
    It'll come tumbling down, that's for sure.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Its not just about Flynn. Although he'll likely fall on his sword. Its much bigger than Flynn. My money is on Manafort singing like a canary. That you're willing to "wait and see" is telling. But I'm okay with the judicial process playing out. Its going to be untenable for the republicans. Please enlighten me on how Gabbard and Flynn are comparable?
    What is telling about being willing to wait and see? Everybody should be willing to wait and see. There could certainly be something going on with Flynn or there could in fact be nothing. At the moment the question is whether Flynn discussed the lifting of sanctions with the Russian government. If he did so it could be considered a violation of the law as it was not done with permission of the Obama administration. The same could be said with any discussions Tulsi Gabbard had with the Assad regime. All reports so far, including Gabbard's own words, seem to claim that she went on her own without the permission of the government. There are questions as to who funded her trip and what was discussed. She did not have authority to make that trip as a representative of the US government. You might think the Flynn meeting is more nefarious and you could be right but the actual violation of the law if there even is one would be the same.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Pelosi and Kerry isn't treason because they were members of the US government at the time. That's what my only problem with Flynn is- at the end of December of 2016, he was not a member of the government. He was in no position to make policy statements in regard to the incoming administration. That's just not how our government works. And the fact that his phones calls to the Russian government go back well before the election, the very election Russia interfered with in hopes of benefitting Trump, is quite disturbing. This guy is literally editing the PDBs before they get to the President. That's insane! The President's own intelligence community is already collapsing around him and he needs to cut Flynn to save face with guys like Mattis, Pence and Pompeo. I don't agree with those guys much but they know how the beltway operates and the roles they're there to play.

    Again I am not absolving Flynn of anything at this point but you are incorrect on the issue as to whether being in government makes these meetings ok. From my understanding if you are in government you still need to have the blessing of the state department and the executive branch when meeting with foreign leaders as it is the executive branch that conducts foreign policy.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Kat said:
    Wake up America

    This used to be called Treason
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    BS44325 said:

    What truth? That Trump has a mental disorder?
    a very specific mental disorder called NPD. It puts him in the same club as Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Pol Pot among others.
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    my2hands said:
    This.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-ties-michael-flynn-dossier-2017-2

    This is more than Mike Flynn...

    Everyone should read this, it lays it all out
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited February 2017
    vaggar99 said:

    a very specific mental disorder called NPD. It puts him in the same club as Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Pol Pot among others.
    Ok doctor.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,420
    BS44325 said:

    Ok doctor.
    The diagnosis applies to trump. I don't have any doubts.
  • The diagnosis applies to trump. I don't have any doubts.
    I don't know GB, he might have white robe syndrome.
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/johnwright/ivanka_trump_on_her_father_in_2006_he_wears_a_pink_bathrobe
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    ^^^
    source?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    The diagnosis applies to trump. I don't have any doubts.
    Then it's settled.
  • BS44325 said:

    What is telling about being willing to wait and see? Everybody should be willing to wait and see. There could certainly be something going on with Flynn or there could in fact be nothing. At the moment the question is whether Flynn discussed the lifting of sanctions with the Russian government. If he did so it could be considered a violation of the law as it was not done with permission of the Obama administration. The same could be said with any discussions Tulsi Gabbard had with the Assad regime. All reports so far, including Gabbard's own words, seem to claim that she went on her own without the permission of the government. There are questions as to who funded her trip and what was discussed. She did not have authority to make that trip as a representative of the US government. You might think the Flynn meeting is more nefarious and you could be right but the actual violation of the law if there even is one would be the same.
    You mean like wait and see with Benghazi? Or Clinton's emails? Or pizzagate? 4 Benghazi investigations and nary a congressional peep regarding Russian influence and penetration of the highest levels of government. Intel agencies don't normally withhold intelligence. Plus, there's golden showers.
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