Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He's fixed! Pshew.

"Baker has been described as a "model patient" who no longer suffers from the type of issues that triggered the July 2008 attack near Portage la Prairie. He was found not criminally responsible for the killing, dismemberment and cannibalization of McLean, 22, after several medical experts said he was suffering from command hallucinations linked to untreated schizophrenia at the time of the unprovoked attack."

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/tim-mcleans-killer-seeking-absolute-discharge-from-criminal-system-family-412241023.html

I don't understand why you're so snotty and uppity about this, even if you think he should never be released. He is profoundly mentally ill. You don't save any compassion for someone who literally had ZERO control over his actions?? Are you just ignorant to the nature of his illness, or do you just not distinguish between evil and mental illness? Or are you simply being insensitive?

Understanding the capacity for violence if his illness is mismanaged... do you think it's a good idea to release this guy? He's seeking 'absolute discharge'. In other words... what's done is done and I'm ready to rock!

I already stated what my opinion about his release is above.

So what's your problem? We both think an absolute discharge is f**king nuts.

I think I was pretty with my question... I was just asking about your apparent lack of sensitivity re the mental illness.

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Where to draw the line?

Think of the guy completely drunk and out of his mind that does something awful- only to shockingly discover what he has done the day after?

Much of what you said applies to this situation as well.

But a drunk person chose to drink, which makes all the difference in the world IMO (the justice system kind of thinks it's comparable though, at least sometimes. I don't approve of that).

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

He's fixed! Pshew.

"Baker has been described as a "model patient" who no longer suffers from the type of issues that triggered the July 2008 attack near Portage la Prairie. He was found not criminally responsible for the killing, dismemberment and cannibalization of McLean, 22, after several medical experts said he was suffering from command hallucinations linked to untreated schizophrenia at the time of the unprovoked attack."

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/tim-mcleans-killer-seeking-absolute-discharge-from-criminal-system-family-412241023.html

I don't understand why you're so snotty and uppity about this, even if you think he should never be released. He is profoundly mentally ill. You don't save any compassion for someone who literally had ZERO control over his actions?? Are you just ignorant to the nature of his illness, or do you just not distinguish between evil and mental illness? Or are you simply being insensitive?

Understanding the capacity for violence if his illness is mismanaged... do you think it's a good idea to release this guy? He's seeking 'absolute discharge'. In other words... what's done is done and I'm ready to rock!

I already stated what my opinion about his release is above.

So what's your problem? We both think an absolute discharge is f**king nuts.

I think I was pretty with my question... I was just asking about your apparent lack of sensitivity re the mental illness.

You always think you're pretty.

I don't want Li released unconditionally. If that makes me insensitive then so be it.

Haha. Ooops. Pretty clear!
Yeah, I got that. I don't think that makes you insensitive at all. As I already mentioned, I was wondering because of the tone you were using. It was an honest question. Some people do indeed think mentally ill people should be locked up in prison or even executed, so I guess I was asking what your attitude about dangerous psychiatric patients actually is. Perhaps it's different than what your tone suggested.

My perspective has softened in these types of situations. Afford the dangerous psychiatric patient good care, but minimize his potential to zero.

I feel for the survivors. Mclean's parents should not be put through the task of protesting such a situation. It's one thing to accept their child was killed by a mentally ill person in such a way... it's another to accept absolute discharge as per the psychotic's demand.

For sure, it's a terrible situation for the victim's family... I'm not sure I think that's something that can be cured though. The thing about Li is that it must be basically impossible for him to even accept responsibility in any real way. It would be like if you or me completely blacked out for some medical reason beyond our control - let's say from a stroke, however unrealistic that may be - and then during our uncontrollable black out we did something awful to someone. We have no memory of it whatsoever, had never even thought about doing such a thing in our lives. How does one have a sense of responsibility or even real guilt if they had no control and no memory of the event?? It's hard to blame Li for trying to seek all the freedom he can possibly get if he feels that his illness is completely under control. I consider Li a victim too TBH. It's a horrible situation for the victim's family, but as I said, no justice can be found in a situation like this. It's just an example of blameless shittiness that exists in the world. Like childhood cancer or something...... Excluding whatever blame can be laid upon the mental healthcare situation in Canada, which mostly lies on the shoulders of our provincial politicians.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not sure about this election reform. it was one of his campaign promises. now he says the canadian people don't want it? where is his information coming from? sounds fishy.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Hugh...

I remember at the time of the incident it was widely reported he had neglected his condition. I'm not so sure it was a case of complete helplessness.

And given the complete horror of his crime... I can understand why he'd feel intense guilt as well. He's seeking an absolute discharge at the moment though. This is a significant step from feeling responsible, shame or guilt for the incident.

We're talking about the decapitation, mutilation, and cannibalization of a young man he had never met. We're not talking about a 'typical' murder.