Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

The jokes will practically write themselves…

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/steve-outhouse-is-in-as-next-conservative-campaign-manager

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

I hear, but i just don't have that hope that America will smarten the fuck up. I think it's slowly going down the drain, I want Canada to start getting ahead of it now. I appreciate that Trump's insanity is kickstarting it. America's probs aren't going away when Trump kicks the bucket. If anything, the Christian nationalists will get a tighter stranglehold, and there are few things I want less than Canada having a really strong economic relationship ship with that... Not that I don't also have all kinds of problems with the future of Canada's economic relationship with China. That is just my pessimistic opinion. 

we don't survive having no/little economic relationship with the US. full stop. while I do think the US is in decline, although not as quickly as you do, I also don't see another trump coming down the pike. once he's gone, there will still be broken craziness down there, but not what it is now, I don't think. 

Oh, I don't think it's going to happen quickly at all. I'm talking the long game. And I know Canada couldn't have no economic relationship. I said I don't want it to have a really strong one, like it does now. Finally, I also don't see another Trump coming down the pike. I see something just as bad or worse coming though. Not immediately, necessarily, but it's coming. 

obviously it's impossible to predict, I don't know, I just think trump is this once in a lifetime phenomenon that was able to tap into the hate and fear like very few are able to. I think/hope there will be enough pushback after this presidency (his approval rating is in the toilet) that it will almost settle things a bit. At least for a while. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

I hear, but i just don't have that hope that America will smarten the fuck up. I think it's slowly going down the drain, I want Canada to start getting ahead of it now. I appreciate that Trump's insanity is kickstarting it. America's probs aren't going away when Trump kicks the bucket. If anything, the Christian nationalists will get a tighter stranglehold, and there are few things I want less than Canada having a really strong economic relationship ship with that... Not that I don't also have all kinds of problems with the future of Canada's economic relationship with China. That is just my pessimistic opinion. 

we don't survive having no/little economic relationship with the US. full stop. while I do think the US is in decline, although not as quickly as you do, I also don't see another trump coming down the pike. once he's gone, there will still be broken craziness down there, but not what it is now, I don't think. 

Oh, I don't think it's going to happen quickly at all. I'm talking the long game. And I know Canada couldn't have no economic relationship. I said I don't want it to have a really strong one, like it does now. Finally, I also don't see another Trump coming down the pike. I see something just as bad or worse coming though. Not immediately, necessarily, but it's coming. 

obviously it's impossible to predict, I don't know, I just think trump is this once in a lifetime phenomenon that was able to tap into the hate and fear like very few are able to. I think/hope there will be enough pushback after this presidency (his approval rating is in the toilet) that it will almost settle things a bit. At least for a while. 

Trump is a symptom, not the illness. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

I hear, but i just don't have that hope that America will smarten the fuck up. I think it's slowly going down the drain, I want Canada to start getting ahead of it now. I appreciate that Trump's insanity is kickstarting it. America's probs aren't going away when Trump kicks the bucket. If anything, the Christian nationalists will get a tighter stranglehold, and there are few things I want less than Canada having a really strong economic relationship ship with that... Not that I don't also have all kinds of problems with the future of Canada's economic relationship with China. That is just my pessimistic opinion. 

we don't survive having no/little economic relationship with the US. full stop. while I do think the US is in decline, although not as quickly as you do, I also don't see another trump coming down the pike. once he's gone, there will still be broken craziness down there, but not what it is now, I don't think. 

Oh, I don't think it's going to happen quickly at all. I'm talking the long game. And I know Canada couldn't have no economic relationship. I said I don't want it to have a really strong one, like it does now. Finally, I also don't see another Trump coming down the pike. I see something just as bad or worse coming though. Not immediately, necessarily, but it's coming. 

obviously it's impossible to predict, I don't know, I just think trump is this once in a lifetime phenomenon that was able to tap into the hate and fear like very few are able to. I think/hope there will be enough pushback after this presidency (his approval rating is in the toilet) that it will almost settle things a bit. At least for a while. 

This is what I believe also...he's a once in a lifetime figure. I've said it here before, he's the greatest fucking actor in history. He's an absolute narcissist with few morals, a sexist piece of human garbage. 

He has been able to keep enough of that deplorable base together to push his agenda but it obviously doesn't work and isn't popular. We will survive him but it's going to be fucking expensive as hell to clean up his mess.

DarthMaeglin

Maybe we should follow our Prime Minister’s lead when it comes to the U.S. President: “Who cares?”

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

I hear, but i just don't have that hope that America will smarten the fuck up. I think it's slowly going down the drain, I want Canada to start getting ahead of it now. I appreciate that Trump's insanity is kickstarting it. America's probs aren't going away when Trump kicks the bucket. If anything, the Christian nationalists will get a tighter stranglehold, and there are few things I want less than Canada having a really strong economic relationship ship with that... Not that I don't also have all kinds of problems with the future of Canada's economic relationship with China. That is just my pessimistic opinion. 

we don't survive having no/little economic relationship with the US. full stop. while I do think the US is in decline, although not as quickly as you do, I also don't see another trump coming down the pike. once he's gone, there will still be broken craziness down there, but not what it is now, I don't think. 

Oh, I don't think it's going to happen quickly at all. I'm talking the long game. And I know Canada couldn't have no economic relationship. I said I don't want it to have a really strong one, like it does now. Finally, I also don't see another Trump coming down the pike. I see something just as bad or worse coming though. Not immediately, necessarily, but it's coming. 

obviously it's impossible to predict, I don't know, I just think trump is this once in a lifetime phenomenon that was able to tap into the hate and fear like very few are able to. I think/hope there will be enough pushback after this presidency (his approval rating is in the toilet) that it will almost settle things a bit. At least for a while. 

Trump is a symptom, not the illness. 

I’m aware of that, but I don’t think the disease flares up like this without him. There aren’t many people who can galvanize such a massive group like he did.  

Zod

I wonder about that too.  Sometimes it feels like some people in the US that wanted to get things used Trump to do it, because he had the ability to unite the right.   Not everyone has that ability.

If he indeed doesn't pull a rabbit out of a head to get a 3rd term, they might not be able to find someone who has the same ability to unify like that.

On the flip side if they did, and that person was more capable that Trump.  That's not great

PJ_Soul

I don't think Trump is even going to make it to the end of his current term, let alone try for a third. I suspect they'll literally have to hide him away and make up daily lies as to why we don't hear or see him anymore at some point. Or he'll have a major medical complication that incapacitates him, but that's the last thing any of them want. I think they will do a LOT to keep Vance out of the Oval Office. 

There are a whole lot of sinister people in the GOP who have big plans for post-Trump, and they are very well organized and very well funded. 

HughFreakingDillon

dude can't even stay awake for his own bullshit pomp and circumstance in the gold-val office. you're right, he's not going to be able to try for a third. 

DarthMaeglin

In a conversation about this it was suggested that the soldiers might not have been shot if Trump hadn’t deployed them. Ridiculous and irrelevant in my opinion.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/warmington-relations-at-a-point-where-canada-hasnt-acknowledged-u-s-terror-attack