I just picked up _____ on vinyl!

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol

The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.

I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe

If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.

Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?

When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.

With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.

Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.

As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.


Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.

mookieblalock said:

mrussel1 said:

mookieblalock said:

Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.

Police - Synchronicity ($7)
Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5)
Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11)
Van Halen - 5150 ($4)
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5)
Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8)
Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3)
.38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3)
Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)

ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...

Yeah, all from dealers on Discogs. There are so many versions of Syncronicity, it is almost overwhelming. I lost count of how many U.S. Pressings alone there were. I try to enter as many things into my want list as I can, that way when something becomes available for a decent price I get an email alert.

Any tips for a Discogs newbie? I'm trying to fill in a few gaps in my collection, I've checked out a few listings on there but I haven't bought from anyone there yet. Do you have any pointers for what to look out for? I'm naturally cynical and skeptical, so I'm hesitant about trying new sites.
Thanks!

goldrush said:

mookieblalock said:

mrussel1 said:

mookieblalock said:

Got these all on Discogs over the weekend. All are VG+ at worst, about half are NM-. Got a great deal on shipping as well. Trying to fill some gaps in my '80's collection...all original pressings.

Police - Synchronicity ($7)
Police - Zenyatta Mondatta ($5)
Bon Jovi - Slippery when wet ($11)
Van Halen - 5150 ($4)
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA ($5)
Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry ($8)
Quiet Riot - Metal Health ($3)
.38 Special - Wild-Eyed Southern Boys ($3)
Mr. Mister - Welcome to the Real World ($4)

ARe you saying you ordered all these from dealers on Discogs? I'm curious how Synchronicity is on vinyl...Zenyatta was really nice so now I want more...

Yeah, all from dealers on Discogs. There are so many versions of Syncronicity, it is almost overwhelming. I lost count of how many U.S. Pressings alone there were. I try to enter as many things into my want list as I can, that way when something becomes available for a decent price I get an email alert.

Any tips for a Discogs newbie? I'm trying to fill in a few gaps in my collection, I've checked out a few listings on there but I haven't bought from anyone there yet. Do you have any pointers for what to look out for? I'm naturally cynical and skeptical, so I'm hesitant about trying new sites.
Thanks!

Best thing to do is if you are looking for specific pressings or conditions, just ask the seller questions before you purchase and see if they can confirm things for you.

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

buck502000 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol

The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.

I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe

If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.

Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?

When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.

With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.

Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.

As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.


Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.

Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.

Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?

Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.

How annoying.

Don't think of it as annoying, think of it as a better hunt. The internet has made is so easy. Just think how hard it would be to find that specific pressing in 1988.

I found a long thread on this subject on Steve Hoffman. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/police-synchronicity-robert-ludwig-masterdisk.173583/

Here's what I gleaned (or decided..) through all of the information and misinformation:

1. There are indeed a rare few copies with RL on both sides. Some believe this was relegated to the promo copies only.
2. The Columbia Record Company ones were cut by them and shitty (CRC)
3. Several said it didn't make a difference if the RL was on one side or both. They were all cut by Masterdisk. Again, point of disagreement maybe.
4. It appears... that the difference may be the vinyl itself (vs the mastering or pressing). The purple one appears to be on the KC-600 vinyl which is evidently better quality than the black. There is also a brownish one, perhaps Quiex.

I will probably pick up a purple one in short order and see if I can hear a difference between the two sides, if only one is stamped RL. I think one side is probably a longer run than the other so that could have a slight impact on the sound.

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

buck502000 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

mrussel1 said:

MedozK said:

Yea, I have one that is in my trade in section of my collection. It's a little noisy for my taste, so everytime I hit a store... I look for another. One day will upgrade to a NM, hopefully. I could probably get one online, but the one I have is a used bin... so I kinda like hunting.,lol

The important part is to find RL etchings on BOTH sides. I have seen a lot that only have it on side 1.

I found a purple RL available.. I don't knew of its etched on both sides. But it's a BYR I believe

If it's both sides, get it. You can get it with just side 1 RL, but you always be wondering how different a two side would be.

Why would RL be on one side but not the other, or why would it matter? Were the two side actually mastered by two different people?

When I look up the version (based on the number, the color (purple) and the color pattern of the front of the album, Discogs says it's mastered by RL.

With a pressing as popular as Synchronicity, they went through a lot of stampers and the only thing you know for sure is that it was mastered and cut at Masterdisk, because that should be stamped on both sides. But depending on how many lacquers they needed to create mothers and stampers... they could have other engineers at Masterdisk cut lacquers.

Now you could look at the handwriting on the side with no RL and if it matches... he might have just not signed that lacquer for some reason.

As far as I know, the way to tell you have a true complete Ludwig cut is to have his RL etchings on both sides. Now on Discogs, somone submitting just sees the RL, and includes the credit. It's not wrong, just not completely right.


Edit - Additional Note: Because my version is an RL both sides.. I just checked a 7" single I have of Every Breath You Take.. the A side is Masterdisk RL, but the B side is just Masterdisk. So I checked the hand writing,.... doesn't match. The number 4 on the the RL does not meet like a triangle (like this 4). On side B, the top of the four does meet. So in this case, a different engineer at Masterdisk cut the B side.

Listened to Synchronicity this morning, side one does sound better. The search will continue - thanks MendozK for the new info.

Ugh... And you have RL on just one side? The better sounding side?

Also, do you have the purple vinyl? It needs to be held up to light to tell.

How annoying.

Don't think of it as annoying, think of it as a better hunt. The internet has made is so easy. Just think how hard it would be to find that specific pressing in 1988.

I found a long thread on this subject on Steve Hoffman. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/police-synchronicity-robert-ludwig-masterdisk.173583/

Here's what I gleaned (or decided..) through all of the information and misinformation:

1. There are indeed a rare few copies with RL on both sides. Some believe this was relegated to the promo copies only.
2. The Columbia Record Company ones were cut by them and shitty (CRC)
3. Several said it didn't make a difference if the RL was on one side or both. They were all cut by Masterdisk. Again, point of disagreement maybe.
4. It appears... that the difference may be the vinyl itself (vs the mastering or pressing). The purple one appears to be on the KC-600 vinyl which is evidently better quality than the black. There is also a brownish one, perhaps Quiex.

I will probably pick up a purple one in short order and see if I can hear a difference between the two sides, if only one is stamped RL. I think one side is probably a longer run than the other so that could have a slight impact on the sound.

It should still sound good, because the cut is from the same Masterdisk master, no matter what engineer cut it.

PJ_Soul said:

MedozK said:

BLACK35 said:

Been checking the used bins latley as my dad bought my a record player for Xmas and need some vinyl. Is it me or are vinyl records expensive. What's a decent range that I should keep in mind? I checked one store yesterday and he had a ton of what I would have liked to get, but they were all either $20 or $30. They were all in bad condition in my opinion, you could see water stains on the bottom of a bunch of them. Just not looking to spend a fortune on used records. The $20-$30 range is what I used to buy records for when I was younger and they were new

That's way overpriced, I guess depending on the release. My local has used between a few dollars to about $20 for a well known album. I can usually find used stuff I like for around $10. Lots of stores are just taking advantage of the vinyl resurgence and I think that is one of the reasons these brick and mortar stores are closing. Going online and purchasing records are much cheaper. If you don't mind using online resources, Discogs is a great resource and you can find really good deals.

I don't really find online the best place for used records unless they are hard to find (or the store is ripping you off, as MedozK said). Once the shipping cost is factored in you don't save money compared to used bins at the record store.

Lots of sellers on Discogs combine shipping on lots, the key is to look for shipping terms and save big. I just bought a lot of records this weekend; I listed them a few pages back. I paid $4 in shipping TOTAL, not to mention I didn't pay tax.

fl4tdriven said:

Just picked up Fugazi - Repeater. Pretty excited to spin it.

very nice!

mrussel1 said:

I received the 2007 reissue in the mail yesterday and spun it last night. I have a very nice copy of the 1987 original Island. Here are my thoughts about it in comparison, in case you were debating this.

The reissue is definitely better, but by home much is debatable. I found the sound a little fuller than the original. The original is a very good press I think, for the 80's but it's a bit bright, not distant which is why it sounds very good. This reissue is both clear and 'lush', which is the best of both worlds. The big difference is how quiet the vinyl is. It does not have any of the surface noise as a record from 30 years ago will have so that's a plus. I would say that if this record is important to you and one of your favorites (it is for me) then it's worth spending the $30. If it isn't one that you listen to often, the OG is still pretty damn good.

Are you saying you think there is surface noise on an OG in perfect condition? Or surface noise because it's often damaged after 30 years? Just wondering your take, since I don't hear any surface noise on my OG.

PJ_Soul said:

MedozK said:

BLACK35 said:

Been checking the used bins latley as my dad bought my a record player for Xmas and need some vinyl. Is it me or are vinyl records expensive. What's a decent range that I should keep in mind? I checked one store yesterday and he had a ton of what I would have liked to get, but they were all either $20 or $30. They were all in bad condition in my opinion, you could see water stains on the bottom of a bunch of them. Just not looking to spend a fortune on used records. The $20-$30 range is what I used to buy records for when I was younger and they were new

That's way overpriced, I guess depending on the release. My local has used between a few dollars to about $20 for a well known album. I can usually find used stuff I like for around $10. Lots of stores are just taking advantage of the vinyl resurgence and I think that is one of the reasons these brick and mortar stores are closing. Going online and purchasing records are much cheaper. If you don't mind using online resources, Discogs is a great resource and you can find really good deals.

I don't really find online the best place for used records unless they are hard to find (or the store is ripping you off, as MedozK said). Once the shipping cost is factored in you don't save money compared to used bins at the record store.
But BLACK35, some used albums cost a lot because of rarity. Best method IMO is to look up the album you're looking at in the store on discogs using your phone. Comparison shop so you can determine if the used record in the store is overpriced or reasonably priced. Just remember to factor in shipping with the online price, be (unless the store is use that could cost even more than the record itself.

Thanks for the advise, will keep that in mind

Blind Melon- Soup (Reissue)
happy to finally get to listen to this on wax.