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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    EdsonNascimento said:

    mfc2006 said:

    Idiots. They should keep it in place and try to come up with an alternative if they want to change it so much. Fucking idiots.

    You understand it's completely unaffordable. Right? I do agree they should leave it in place as it would die its own death based on needed premium increases. That's definitely the more convenient political way of doing it (though they did back themselves into a corner by shouting repeal which should have happened 5 years ago). However, when trying to fix a problem you can see coming, you need to do something. And the only solution is throwing bad money after good. The ACA needs the majority of its provisions repealed or a proper solution can never be put in place. All you'd end up doing is patching the leaks on the Titanic.

    It was an expansion of Medicaid with money we don't have plain and simple. You need a solution that trims back mandated benefits, allows managed care companies to manage care (with oversight to prevent abuses) and focuses on preventive care and catastrophic coverage with incentives and disencetives for people taking responsibility for their own health.

    People have to realize that handing over free coverage with no parameters is simply not feasible in a country where we expect timely, quality care (realizing that is not always achieved either because, well, people are people).
    EdsonNascimento said:

    mfc2006 said:

    Idiots. They should keep it in place and try to come up with an alternative if they want to change it so much. Fucking idiots.

    You understand it's completely unaffordable. Right? I do agree they should leave it in place as it would die its own death based on needed premium increases. That's definitely the more convenient political way of doing it (though they did back themselves into a corner by shouting repeal which should have happened 5 years ago). However, when trying to fix a problem you can see coming, you need to do something. And the only solution is throwing bad money after good. The ACA needs the majority of its provisions repealed or a proper solution can never be put in place. All you'd end up doing is patching the leaks on the Titanic.

    It was an expansion of Medicaid with money we don't have plain and simple. You need a solution that trims back mandated benefits, allows managed care companies to manage care (with oversight to prevent abuses) and focuses on preventive care and catastrophic coverage with incentives and disencetives for people taking responsibility for their own health.

    People have to realize that handing over free coverage with no parameters is simply not feasible in a country where we expect timely, quality care (realizing that is not always achieved either because, well, people are people).
    You're blaming Medicaid? And who's stopping managed care companies from managing care? And premium increases didn't seem to bring the death of the system, pre- ACA. Sorry, but competition across state lined won't do much. Repealing aca could even make a single payer system hsppen sooner, since most Americans want that anyway.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    you can help in Canada by boycotting as many American products/services as possible.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    vaggar99 said:

    you can help in Canada by boycotting as many American products/services as possible.

    It's been happening for a long time here.
    Who the hell wants to drive anything from gm or chrysler?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    ledvedderman said:

    dignin said:

    LongestRoad said:

    I pray to God they can stop all the terror groups quickly so this insanity can stop. The innocent people in the Middle East must feel so hopeless right now.

    I'm sure terror will end within a week. Maybe two.
    Wrong. We already solved terrorism when we started calling it "radical Islam" about 8 days ago. We're all so much safer.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about those words. Why impose the ban in the first place then, problem was solved.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    vaggar99 said:

    you can help in Canada by boycotting as many American products/services as possible.

    BDSA....I love it!
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    you can help in Canada by boycotting as many American products/services as possible.

    It's been happening for a long time here.
    Who the hell wants to drive anything from gm or chrysler?
    true. i don't know why we think we should be making stuff here.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Roosting chickens!

    Since when does the president have all these empirical powers? I thought this was a democracy. Where are the "checks and balances"?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited January 2017
    ^^^
    cmon cliffy you are being a little dramatic.
    There are millions of people that approve of these measures in "your country"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Cliffy6745 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
    Wow I didn't see that. Fucking crazy
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Cliffy6745 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
    I agree to your last statement. Even with Iraq my thought was, "I'm against this, but this isn't shocking to me". This is shocking to me.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    cmon cliffy you are being a little dramatic.
    There are millions of people that approve of these measures in "your country"

    I'm not.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
    I agree to your last statement. Even with Iraq my thought was, "I'm against this, but this isn't shocking to me". This is shocking to me.
    Completely agree. Utterly shocking...
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    Cliffy6745 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
    I agree to your last statement. Even with Iraq my thought was, "I'm against this, but this isn't shocking to me". This is shocking to me.
    Completely agree. Utterly shocking...
    Yup.
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  • LongestRoad
    LongestRoad Posts: 477
    vaggar99 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    you can help in Canada by boycotting as many American products/services as possible.

    It's been happening for a long time here.
    Who the hell wants to drive anything from gm or chrysler?
    true. i don't know why we think we should be making stuff here.
    LOL
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    The thing getting me through this is the protests at jfk and all around the country.

    apparently all New York taxis are refusing service to or from JFK. Just amazing.

    https://youtu.be/gp5JCrSXkJY
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Not so fast, Neil...spoke too soon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttDUGM-1mU
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    People who fought with the US for 10 years are now being sent home to die...

    How s that?
    Looks like he was actually let in but an Iraqi army interpreter who fought with us for a decade was detained and questioned. This is now who we are.

    Also a 77 year old grandmother coming to visit her refugee family was turned away.

    For the first time in my 30 some odd years in this country, I feel like I don't know it...
    I agree to your last statement. Even with Iraq my thought was, "I'm against this, but this isn't shocking to me". This is shocking to me.
    I wonder why he didn't block Afghanistan and Pakistan. (I definitely could have missed that)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Why do I get the feeling domestic attacks are going to go up around the country. Why was is it so difficult to give a 7 day warning that you maybe detained if you're from these countries. The callousness and decency towards people has been astounding. On this travel ban made by the President a hornet's nest has been stirred.

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