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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    mfc2006 said:

    Senior leadership from the State Department just resigned. Wow.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,657
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    Senior leadership from the State Department just resigned. Wow.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
    I feel Greater already!
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    "Trump’s first bowel movement in White House twice the size of Obama’s, Press Secretary reports"
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,253
    It seems silly to resign now from the State department. I think the resignations would be more impactful if they were resigning because of actually policy changes in the future. Then the media would report on it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,657
    edited January 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    I dunno. Sounds more like that's a formality, as the new President tends to keep them on, and that these people are actually resigning for good.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    Fake news much?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited January 2017
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    I dunno. Sounds more like that's a formality, as the new President tends to keep them on?
    Whether Kennedy left on his own volition or was pushed out by the incoming Trump team is a matter of dispute inside the department. Just days before he resigned, Kennedy was taking on more responsibility inside the department and working closely with the transition. His departure was a surprise to other State Department officials who were working with him.

    One senior State Department official who responded to my requests for comment said that all the officials had previously submitted their letters of resignation, as was required for all positions that are appointed by the president and that require confirmation by the Senate, known as PAS positions.

    “No officer accepts a PAS position with the expectation that it is unlimited. And all officers understand that the President may choose to replace them at any time,” this official said. “These officers have served admirably and well. Their departure offers a moment to consider their accomplishments and thank them for their service. These are the patterns and rhythms of the career service.”
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,657
    PJPOWER said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    Fake news much?
    Pardon? How so? Did you read the article?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJPOWER said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    Fake news much?
    huh?
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    Yes, the resignation are. But "...Trump issued a blanket order earlier, distributed as a diplomatic cable by the State Department, ordering all political appointees to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day.

    The New York Times said the order appeared to break with decades of precedent by indicating that affected ambassadors would not get even the briefest extension of their appointments, for reasons such as completing a child’s school term or dealing with family health issues.

    A senior member of Trump’s transition team told the Times there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Obama’s overseas envoys leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do.

    “The only thing that is different is that they are not letting any of them have extensions,” Neumann told VOA. “That is a little unusual.”"
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    CNN is saying they were told to leave. The positions are appointed by the president, but they usually stick around for a few months during the transition as the new people come in. You know, like in professional work environments where important work is passed along so things don't get dropped or missed.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,657
    edited January 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    I dunno. Sounds more like that's a formality, as the new President tends to keep them on?
    Whether Kennedy left on his own volition or was pushed out by the incoming Trump team is a matter of dispute inside the department. Just days before he resigned, Kennedy was taking on more responsibility inside the department and working closely with the transition. His departure was a surprise to other State Department officials who were working with him.

    One senior State Department official who responded to my requests for comment said that all the officials had previously submitted their letters of resignation, as was required for all positions that are appointed by the president and that require confirmation by the Senate, known as PAS positions.

    “No officer accepts a PAS position with the expectation that it is unlimited. And all officers understand that the President may choose to replace them at any time,” this official said. “These officers have served admirably and well. Their departure offers a moment to consider their accomplishments and thank them for their service. These are the patterns and rhythms of the career service.”
    Yeah, I read it. It goes on to say:

    "Ambassador Richard Boucher, who served as State Department spokesman for Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, said that while there’s always a lot of turnover around the time a new administration takes office, traditionally senior officials work with the new team to see who should stay on in their roles and what other jobs might be available. But that’s not what happened this time.

    The officials who manage the building and thousands of overseas diplomatic posts are charged with taking care of Americans overseas and protecting U.S. diplomats risking their lives abroad. The career foreign service officers are crucial to those functions as well as to implementing the new president’s agenda, whatever it may be, Boucher said.

    “You don’t run foreign policy by making statements, you run it with thousands of people working to implement programs every day,” Boucher said. “To undercut that is to undercut the institution.”

    By itself, the sudden departure of the State Department’s entire senior management team is disruptive enough. But in the context of a president who railed against the U.S. foreign policy establishment during his campaign and secretary of state with no government experience, the vacancies are much more concerning.

    Tillerson’s job No. 1 must be to find qualified and experienced career officials to manage the State Department’s vital offices. His second job should be to reach out to and reassure a State Department workforce that is panicked about what the Trump administration means for them."
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  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    mace1229 said:

    SundaySilence said:

    mace1229 said:



    I asked for examples, care to give one?
    One that's worse than "if you don't vote for my guy (or gal) then your a racist, sexist, homophobe bigot."
    I have yet to see an example of the fear campaign that lead to so many voting for him.

    Every speech he gave. I'll start with his first speech:

    Mexico is sending us their rapists.

    OK, now your turn. Show me a Trump speech without fear mongering.
    Missed my point here I said the left does everything the same, and even worse.. gave multiple examples if you care to read above.
    So it's Trump vs entire left at its most radical. That's a fair comparison.
    I looked at another Trump speech:
    “Clinton wants to allow radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country—they enslave women, and murder gays.”
    -DJT 6/13/16
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    SundaySilence said:

    mace1229 said:

    SundaySilence said:

    mace1229 said:



    I asked for examples, care to give one?
    One that's worse than "if you don't vote for my guy (or gal) then your a racist, sexist, homophobe bigot."
    I have yet to see an example of the fear campaign that lead to so many voting for him.

    Every speech he gave. I'll start with his first speech:

    Mexico is sending us their rapists.

    OK, now your turn. Show me a Trump speech without fear mongering.
    Missed my point here I said the left does everything the same, and even worse.. gave multiple examples if you care to read above.
    So it's Trump vs entire left at its most radical. That's a fair comparison.
    I looked at another Trump speech:
    “Clinton wants to allow radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country—they enslave women, and murder gays.”
    -DJT 6/13/16
    wow. didn't hear that one!
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJPOWER said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    aren't those resignations protocol with each new administration, and the incoming admin team decides to accept or reject, and Trump accepted?

    Fake news much?
    Pardon? How so? Did you read the article?
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Donald Trump and the Politics of Fear
    Trump’s candidacy relies on the power of fear. It could be the only way for him to win.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-and-the-politics-of-fear/498116/

    The Fear Factor
    Donald Trump is trying to spread the politics of fear in the presidential campaign.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/donald-trumps-campaign-of-fear


    Donald Trump's Campaign of Fear

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opinion/donald-trumps-campaign-of-fear.html
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,549
    mace1229 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I asked for examples, care to give one?
    One that's worse than "if you don't vote for my guy (or gal) then your a racist, sexist, homophobe bigot."
    I have yet to see an example of the fear campaign that lead to so many voting for him.
    What you're describing is shame, not fear. (Could you also link to where that quote was used in the campaign?)They're totally different. Fear is what conservatives run on. trump continually would go on about how our country is in horrible shape, and that we used to be great, and if you vote for him it'll be great, and if you vote for Clinton, it'll be a disaster. This theme is repeated with nearly all republicans: Our country sucks, vote for me and I'll save it from destruction.



    Fear of being shamed with such terrible labels. It's a fear tactic, come on.
    Yeah, saying you're better for the country than the person you're running against is far worse, my bad.
    You do realize that it was the left, including Hilary herself, who said if Trump wins there will be WWIii, nuclear war, Halocaust 2.0 and so on. But Trump saying he will make America great is running on fear? I gotta call this BS out when I see it man.

    So when he was stating that Mexicans are rapist and murderers and Muslims should be kept out or put on list that's not a fear tactic ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478



    Donald Trump is going to publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants. Hitler did the same

    https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-weekly-list-immigrants-crimes-hitler-comparisons-7547211
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