Hillary won more votes for President

JimmyV said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.

to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.

well, she did say "half of his supporters are deplorables" or something of the like. half is a lot.

yes and then she apologized and said she shouldn't have said "half"

After she got caught on tape saying it at a high priced fundraiser, yes she did apologize. The damage was already done. It reaffirmed the belief that she (like Romney) was an out of touch elitist and (also like Romney) gave her opponent a rallying cry. You can't really blame right-wing news when the candidate steps in it like that.

tbergs said:

JimmyV said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.

to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.

well, she did say "half of his supporters are deplorables" or something of the like. half is a lot.

yes and then she apologized and said she shouldn't have said "half"

After she got caught on tape saying it at a high priced fundraiser, yes she did apologize. The damage was already done. It reaffirmed the belief that she (like Romney) was an out of touch elitist and (also like Romney) gave her opponent a rallying cry. You can't really blame right-wing news when the candidate steps in it like that.

What's ironic, is this is being used to explain part of her downfall. Trump out offended/derided people of all types on a daily basis so to believe her one slip of the tongue was the end is ridiculous. Trump just got away with it for some reason. Maybe because he was consistent with being offensive and rude.

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!

Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.

A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.

That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?

Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.

JimmyV said:

tbergs said:

JimmyV said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.

to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.

well, she did say "half of his supporters are deplorables" or something of the like. half is a lot.

yes and then she apologized and said she shouldn't have said "half"

After she got caught on tape saying it at a high priced fundraiser, yes she did apologize. The damage was already done. It reaffirmed the belief that she (like Romney) was an out of touch elitist and (also like Romney) gave her opponent a rallying cry. You can't really blame right-wing news when the candidate steps in it like that.

What's ironic, is this is being used to explain part of her downfall. Trump out offended/derided people of all types on a daily basis so to believe her one slip of the tongue was the end is ridiculous. Trump just got away with it for some reason. Maybe because he was consistent with being offensive and rude.

This is a fair point. I think on some level many people viewed Trump's act as just that, an act. Like he was playing a character. Plus, most of his comments were made in public. He wasn't hiding them, although he did often deny them. Clinton on the other hand made her comments behind the closed doors of a fundraiser. It came across as an honest moment, a rare glimpse into what she really believed. That's why I think it was more damaging.

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

tbergs said:

JimmyV said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.

to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.

well, she did say "half of his supporters are deplorables" or something of the like. half is a lot.

yes and then she apologized and said she shouldn't have said "half"

After she got caught on tape saying it at a high priced fundraiser, yes she did apologize. The damage was already done. It reaffirmed the belief that she (like Romney) was an out of touch elitist and (also like Romney) gave her opponent a rallying cry. You can't really blame right-wing news when the candidate steps in it like that.

What's ironic, is this is being used to explain part of her downfall. Trump out offended/derided people of all types on a daily basis so to believe her one slip of the tongue was the end is ridiculous. Trump just got away with it for some reason. Maybe because he was consistent with being offensive and rude.

This is a fair point. I think on some level many people viewed Trump's act as just that, an act. Like he was playing a character. Plus, most of his comments were made in public. He wasn't hiding them, although he did often deny them. Clinton on the other hand made her comments behind the closed doors of a fundraiser. It came across as an honest moment, a rare glimpse into what she really believed. That's why I think it was more damaging.

Although I've said before that it's always a mistake to call out voters (agreeing with you Free...see we agree..), let's be clear on what she said and where she said it. It was at the LBGT Gala and it was a public speech, not a private dinner secretly recorded (like Romney). It was meant to rally her people, specifically the LBGT. Here's the quote.. I think we can all agree that racists, xenophobic, homophobic people are deplorable..

We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

Curious...what website hill referring to?

JC29856 said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

Same old same old Democratic Party doesn't work anymore!

Crazy that they got away with it for that long. Considering the base, maybe not.

A lot of Democrats I know, and some are family members, are so out of touch with the common struggles of every day people because of their income status level, it is not funny. This elite mindframe of Democrats in general is not working. It doesn't work for the people of this country and now it doesn't work for Democrats. Because they lost the election. Time to learn the lesson and start over again.

That doesn't make sense. Democrats as a party support an increased minimum wage, health insurance for all, policies that strengthen workers rights, etc.

The GOP opposes those things. Who lost touch?

Jesus, like many Dems, you are very resistant to look at your party & just continue to look at Trump or Russia etc. The Dem party is out of touch. Trump appealed to more than Hillary did. (scary, but true) Trump was anti-establishment, Hillary represented more continued establishment. We saw how many millions of people following Sanders and Trump are anti-establishment.

There's no convincing someone who refuses to see things the way they are.

No.. by vote totals, he didn't appeal to more people. He appealed to the right people in the right states.

Correction: He didn't appeal to most Californians

MeanMr.Mustard said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

The "basket of deplorables" line will live forever in our political lexicon. Right alongside Watergate, swiftboating, October Surprise and the 47 percent. Who talks that way about the electorate when they are trying to win votes? Clinton held white, male, Midwestern voters in contempt, just the same as Mitt Romney did the 47 percent. Both believed they were going to win the election. Neither one did.

The platform can certainly be tweaked, but the platform was not the problem. The candidate was the problem. I harp on this not because Hillary Clinton is some villain who deserves it. She isn't. I do it because the Democratic party decided on her long before a single primary vote was cast...and then she lost to Donald Trump! This didn't need to happen. We can't let it happen again.

to be clear....she was referring to racists and the like

The morons who labeled themselves "deplorables" for being Trump supporters were clearly following the right wing bullshit news.

maybe she should have made herself more clear when she used the phrase "basket of deplorables" it's really not any different than other words used by Trump or anybody else that get misconstrued and used against them, it just an opportunity for one side to attack another.
I'm surprised there aren't T shirts that have "angry white men" printed on them already LOL !!

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